Minimum Wage ... Unbelivable?

[smilingsynic]

Quote from hans37:

I find it humorous when lefty losers try to lay claim to conservative values and then spend all their energy on promoting leftist idiotology.

When you continually attack people with such silly expressions as "lefty losers," you are only revealing the intellectual bankruptcy of your arguments, for if you had cogent evidence for what you say, you would not need to rely on such simpleminded tactics.

Good night.

 

[mschey]

Quote from smilingsynic:

Ah, the old denying a valid claim fallacy.

No, I corrected YOU. Please read the article--and I have others, if you need more--that refute your claim about the poor not paying taxes.

Some taxes hit the wealthy more, such as the federal income; but others are more punishing on the poor (it varies per state).

There are many, many articles out on the web about Alabama Gov Bob Riley's (a Republican and former US rep) so-far unsuccessful attempt to reform Alabama's regressive tax system.

Some states have taxes that hit the poor much more than the wealthy. Some of these states are your typical Southern conservative old plantation states such as Mississippi and Alabama, but some are not.

One thing is Certain, You are Making some fallacious claims. I am not interested in reading any of your propaganda, I don't need to. Like I said, the poor do get tagged with a few taxes, smoking and tobacco, even social security, but the legacy costs of these programs will result in them being net users and not net losers.

 

[hans37]

POVERTY SUCKS : I find it morally reprehensible that so many wish to make it more palatable.

 

[hans37]

Quote from smilingsynic:



There are many, many articles out on the web about Alabama Gov Bob Riley's (a Republican and former US rep) so-far unsuccessful attempt to reform Alabama's regressive tax system.

Since I live in AL. I will comment.

Bob Riley ran on a Republican ticket then had the temerity to propose taxing us like a democrat.

"That dog don't hunt"

 

[BrandNewTrader]

Quote from hans37:

uh huh the truth slips out, you really mean the stupid ,lazy and unmotivated people are the ones you 'think' "The government has an obligation to protect".
Knock yourself out: all those that FEEL the way you do are free to give all you have for the cause.

Just don't make the mistake in thinking I am obligated also because of how YOU feel.

hans, i clearly stated that it's the gov's duty to care for society, not you. You even quoted it. Stop writing just b/c you disagree and address the points. talking but not saying sht...

 

[BrandNewTrader]

Quote from mschey:


It's doubtful they pay state income taxes, local taxes, property taxes, etc.

This is just plain stupid. Are you guys college graduates? More evidence that those who do not understand the rationale of the relationship between an elected government and its society, the associated implied moral and ethical duties, social health and basic human rights are the same ones who consider it their duty to maintain the status quo and allow the income disparities to diverge in a manner that is actaully socially reprehensible. When America is profiled in international liberal arts texts 100 to 200 years in the future, these policies will be seen for what they are. You're fools. No ones saying people shouldn't be allowed to participate in free markets, what's being said is that those with the least should not be subjugated merely to appease the miniscule but powerful % of the population who have the majority of the wealth.

Neither of you seems to be very intelligent, I'm sorry to say. saying things like "leftist liberal" and "the poor dont pay taxes" exposes your ignorance and parrot-like repetition of the bullshit yo hear in media akin to the oreilly show and fox "news" reports (subjective reporting and analysis).

Good grades? Maybe (wrote memorization and numbers). Ability to process abstract ideas? Definitely not, and you've provided evidence of that. The more you talk about this the more foolish you look. Like I keep saying, stick to trading - and that includes "discussions and debates". Embarras yourself at cocktail parties, not here on ET.

 

[bsmeter]

Quote from hans37:

POVERTY SUCKS :.............

That's true. But sucks for who? The poor or the elite. Also why do you think 50% of American high school graduating seniors can't read.

The more poor and un educated there are, the easier to control.

 

[CasperCRF]

Quote from bsmeter:

Also why do you think 50% of American high school graduating seniors can't read.

LOL

 

[mschey]

Quote from BrandNewTrader:

This is just plain stupid. Are you guys college graduates? More evidence that those who do not understand the rationale of the relationship between an elected government and its society, the associated implied moral and ethical duties, social health and basic human rights are the same ones who consider it their duty to maintain the status quo and allow the income disparities to diverge in a manner that is actaully socially reprehensible. When America is profiled in international liberal arts texts 100 to 200 years in the future, these policies will be seen for what they are. You're fools. No ones saying people shouldn't be allowed to participate in free markets, what's being said is that those with the least should not be subjugated merely to appease the miniscule but powerful % of the population who have the majority of the wealth.

Neither of you seems to be very intelligent, I'm sorry to say. saying things like "leftist liberal" and "the poor dont pay taxes" exposes your ignorance and parrot-like repetition of the bullshit yo hear in media akin to the oreilly show and fox "news" reports (subjective reporting and analysis).

Good grades? Maybe (wrote memorization and numbers). Ability to process abstract ideas? Definitely not, and you've provided evidence of that. The more you talk about this the more foolish you look. Like I keep saying, stick to trading - and that includes "discussions and debates". Embarras yourself at cocktail parties, not here on ET.

Great to see you are following the stereotypical liberal playbook. Attack the message, when that doesn't work, attack the messenger, when that doesn't work, resort to calling them names and demonizing them. Apparently, you are under the impression that I really care what you think, or what you think of me. I don't. In the end, you are just another envious newby who would love to achieve half of the success I've achieved as a trader.

Throughout this thread, I have stuck to three themes. Raising minimum wage will do very little to help the poor, we already do quite a bit to help the poor and it's not effective, we need to focus on empowerment, help them help themselves. Does this really sound foolish to you? What is so foolish about wanting to get meaningful results? The short answer is there is nothing foolish about it all.

 

[bsmeter]

Quote from CasperCRF:

LOL

I always wondered who the 29% were

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It looks like you're one of them!!. ROTFLMAO!




"It's appalling -- it's really astounding," said Michael Gorman, president of the American Library Association and a librarian at California State University at Fresno. "Only 31 percent of college graduates can read a complex book and extrapolate from it. That's not saying much for the remainder."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/24/AR2005122400701.html


"53 percent of all college students take remedial courses because they did not gain the skills they should have gained in secondary school"

http://www.all4ed.org/publications/ReadingNext/Introduction.html

"About 30 percent of the nation's public school students fail to graduate on time, according to an analysis by the research center of Editorial Projects in Education, which publishes Education Week newspaper."

http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=121039