Mini Bitcoin

Saxio said:
What daytrading margins you get with the normal BTC ?

decent volume and spreads ?
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Like the others said on this thread, volume is nothing to get excited about, see chart below with daily volume and avg. daily volume around 10,5000

The margins change almost daily since the calculation on the BTC futures are a bit different and based on the closing price of the BTC. No day trading margin breaks.

As of this morning you would need $128,000 for one BTC contract, controlling 5 bitcoins. Based on that logic, we would anticipate margins on the mini bitcoin to be approx. $2500.

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How about fees? Could this be a reason to get involved? From what I have been reading, its about $15 to trade BTC, but I'm not sure how the size of your trade affects this. ETH is apparently even higher.

But if the fees are more in line with trading the micro ES or micro NQ, then I can see how this could be very attractive. Since there are no coins exchanging hands and its cash settled, there seems to be no reason to interact with the blockchain network, so CME should hopefully keep these fees in line with the other micro or mini products.
 
Cannon_Trading said:
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As of this morning you would need $128,000 for one BTC contract, controlling 5 bitcoins. Based on that logic, we would anticipate margins on the mini bitcoin to be approx. $2500.

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Sounds about right and perfectly logical. Except there was no logic in the CME specifying 5 BTC per future in the first place. Stupid-asses.
 
Overnight said:
Sounds about right and perfectly logical. Except there was no logic in the CME specifying 5 BTC per future in the first place. Stupid-asses.
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Agree!! :-(
 
They said:
@AMP_Global are you guys going to have this new BTC micro contract available for your US customers?

#btccarrytrade

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Oh...I see someone blowing up because of failed margin management XD

By the way...the CME sized their contract when the underlying was about 5k so 5BTC per contract was totaly viable.

Now they learned from their mistakes...otherwise you guys would complain about margins again when BTC trades at 500k after the next halving
 
I too found the value of '5' a little counter-intuitive. Oh well, guess it will have to stick for now. BTW, I was present at IBKR's Webcast today with the CME-GROUP. You could have asked them live some of your questions :)

The funniest thing, by the end of their presentation, we still didn't even know what the TICKER was!
 
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