Mike - Claire Thread

Originally posted by NickLeeson
As for health care, go to say Germany, Switzerland or Scandinavia to have a health system that is totally compatible with the US, where you get immediate service AND that is fully available to every citizen.
More...

Nick, I'm going to quote you: "Oh puleese, haha."
 
Originally posted by NickLeeson


Well, looking at the stats, the US has, as compared to Europe, pretty much the worst crime rate you can imagine. The number I remember for inoccents killed is that something like 150 people have been killed or were at least on death row that were later found to be innocent.

But the most important thing is that it hasn't even reduced the huge US crime rates one zilch, and no other civilised country has the death penalty anymore.

As for health care, go to say Germany, Switzerland or Scandinavia to have a health system that is totally compatible with the US, where you get immediate service AND that is fully available to every citizen, absolutely unlike the US.
More...


Stats are largely bullshit put together by sympathizers, common habit of liberal left to fudge their numbers, recent example the guy who did a huge study on how gun ownership was not a major part of colonial life, he was exposed as a major fraud, bad statistics run rampant, in fact just this past week bad statistics are up 5.27% in Europe vs 4.617% in USA

Crime rate numbers are similarly weak or bad comparison, 150 number is overstated, and it only has meaning as a percentage anyway

Europe's super strict gun laws did not stop the nut jobs from killing people, in the past 6 or 12 months alone there have been pycho murders and killings in Switzerland, France, Netherlands and just recently the massacre in Erfurt, the problem is psychos not american mentality or american gun laws

health care in the semi socialized countries comes with a 50% or higher income tax bill, if i want to spend that much of my own money i could have a solid gold hospital bed and playboy bunnies for nurses, those countries have decided to pay big bucks for what everybody gets but we would rather take less money from individuals and let them decide as individuals how much to shell out for pills and exams
 
Originally posted by darkhorse
Rate of innocent executions is overstated, murderers that go free kill more people, not valuing life for life is philosophically inconsistent

US health care best in world overall, rather pay good money for good health than stand in line two months for an exam,
Literacy rate below cuba's is suspect and even if true further evidence that brains are overrated, common sense and hard work far better

I will say though, that the UK has kicked America's ass in terms of quality rock n' roll
More...

LOL.. yep the last part is true for sure! US health care is superb I know.. its the free service that is referred to I think which in poor much maligned france is truly excellent but awful in UK and Ireland and supposed to be bad in the US too.. not really know though..

As far as executions go.. well thats a tough one. Not suggesting that the US is any worse than any other country for convicting innocent people, but it sure happens and is hard to put right afterwards.. The worse mass murder on UK soil was the birmingham bombings of the 70's.. six men served 18 years before full pardons were granted.. they would have been executed had the death penalty not been abolished.. a terrible thing to go to the gallows for such a dreadful crime if you are innocent.

The awful fact in that case is that the REAL murderers are still walking around somewhere free all these years.. and that the cops had good cause to know the convicted men were not guilty.. so they put the need to get a conviction ahead of the need to convict the RIGHT people..

I don't think anyone is suggesting murderers should go free anyway.. but I do agree that some people truly do deserve death for the worst of crimes.. but only if you can really believe in the system and their guilt
 
Originally posted by Neil


I don't think anyone is suggesting murderers should go free anyway.. but I do agree that some people truly do deserve death for the worst of crimes.. but only if you can really believe in the system and their guilt
More...


I 100% agree, no one should get the chair unless we know they did it with zero doubt (don't know why OJ is walking around)

but this sounds to me like you are in support of the death penalty if it can be implemented properly, i believe that it can be, and even though it will never be 100% perfect it can be made airtight enough that the innocent people executed over time are fewer in number than the innocent lives saved by putting murderers away permanently- and from a philosophical standpoint I support the death penalty whether it deters future crime or not, though I believe evidence supports that it does

want an omelet gotta break some eggs- John Wayne
 
Do you see what you have done? You started this you know.. happy now eh??

Hurry up and stop trading and say something.. we are disintegrating into confusing skirmishes all over the place.. get us back on topic.. what is the topic anyway? :)

Neil
 
Originally posted by darkhorse



Stats are largely bullshit put together by sympathizers, common habit of liberal left to fudge their numbers, recent example the guy who did a huge study on how gun ownership was not a major part of colonial life, he was exposed as a major fraud, bad statistics run rampant, in fact just this past week bad statistics are up 5.27% in Europe vs 4.617% in USA

Crime rate numbers are similarly weak or bad comparison, 150 number is overstated, and it only has meaning as a percentage anyway

Europe's super strict gun laws did not stop the nut jobs from killing people, in the past 6 or 12 months alone there have been pycho murders and killings in Switzerland, France, Netherlands and just recently the massacre in Erfurt, the problem is psychos not american mentality or american gun laws

health care in the semi socialized countries comes with a 50% or higher income tax bill, if i want to spend that much of my own money i could have a solid gold hospital bed and playboy bunnies for nurses, those countries have decided to pay big bucks for what everybody gets but we would rather take less money from individuals and let them decide as individuals how much to shell out for pills and exams
More...

Just talking about total crime rates per head of population that are so much higher in the US than in any other European country and not isolated incidents like Erfurt, as in muggings, murder, break ins so on and so forth.

As for the death penalty that has never managed to reduce this terrific US crime rate (as for normal convicts no civilised country has more of its population sitting in jails per head than the US), as for death penalty the US is in great international company with countries like China, Iran and Saudi Arabia.

As for taxes, go work in Frankfurt/Germany or New York, and you'll find that there is NO difference.
 
Originally posted by Neil
Do you see what you have done? You started this you know.. happy now eh??

Hurry up and stop trading and say something.. we are disintegrating into confusing skirmishes all over the place.. get us back on topic.. what is the topic anyway? :)

Neil
More...

Haha, good point.

Peace
 
Originally posted by NickLeeson


Oh geez, hard to accept or what, haha.

Facts, is all.

42 MILLION AMERIVCANS ARE NOT HEALTH INSURED. Great, what?

http://www.google.de/search?q=cache...icans+have+health+care&hl=de&start=13&ie=UTF8[/url]
More...



This whole argument outlines the difference between European / American thinking

You guys are more socialist in your mindset, tend to think of groups first and individuals second, we do it the other way around- and it works better

I can give you clear evidence of why health care just is not that big of a deal, because no politician has taken the ball and run with it. This is what the pols love, taking issues that press on the hearts of the people and making hay out of it. If all those old ladies are hard up, you know what? Every senator in washington would be screaming about it because boomers and seniors are the largest voting blocks in the USA- but its a silent issue because no one gives a damn except left wing professors and bored hollywood actors

our system supports the individual and the individual's right to make his own choices, it also supports complete freedom of speech and a flexible political system so that if we have a problem as a whole, we can bitch about it and do something about it

Europe is more socialist in mindset with leaders more removed from the people, you guys are too into groupthink for your own good, just because it's good for you doesn't mean it should be law for your neighbor, look at number of entrepreneurs here vs there, its a reflection of the culture
 
Originally posted by Neil
Do you see what you have done? You started this you know.. happy now eh??

Hurry up and stop trading and say something.. we are disintegrating into confusing skirmishes all over the place.. get us back on topic.. what is the topic anyway? :)

Neil
More...


if i recall the original topic was Mike-Claire, a pretty piss poor ridiculous topic in the first place, might as well have been top hats or 80's music

shotgun debates are fun though, except my fingers hurt from typing so fast
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top