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Tradernik: Can you cite a precedent or some other evidence that supports this claim, other than the fact that you think American actions are wrong? I have never heard of a situation in which a country that legitimately supplied arms to another country is sued because of what the buyer did with the weapons.
Or are you arguing that the American arms sales to Israel are illegal? If this is your claim, can you give us the legal argument?
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July 23, 2006
SouthAmerica: We donât live in a world that is frozen in time.
Things change and evolve all the time â and in our global economy the dynamics of the system it is changing even faster â at the speed of light.
Let me give you an example of what I mean â for over 100 years Americans bought guns and the right to own guns it has been an American right all along.
I believe in the right of individuals to own guns and I am against gun control. (But that is a conversation for another thread.)
The point I want to make is that the law in the US is evolving and today when a crime is committed with a certain type of gun â the gun manufacturer can be sued. And if it is proved that has been negligence regarding the transfer of ownership of that gun when someone gets killed â today people are suing the gun manufacturers and holding them liable for the harm done with the gun that they manufactured.
Years ago we did not have the International Court in The Hague â but today we do it.
International law also is evolving: Jews are getting reparations from Suisse Banks from what happened over 50 years ago.
Why do you think that arms dealers and manufacturers of weapons should be exempt of liabilities related to the use of their products?
This is a changing world and I will not be surprised if in the future clever lawyers put together a lawsuit against weapons manufacturers â and they win the case in court.
The arms sells to Israel are not illegal â but at the same time it does not exempt the United States and the arms manufacturers from the liabilities related to what Israel does with these armament.
For example: todayâs article on the front page of The New York Times â the article says that Israel asked the United States government to ship them as soon as possible â and they give the list of weapons to be shipped from the United States to Israel immediately â and we know why Israel needs these weapons â we know that they will use it to destroy Lebanonâs infrastructure and also that it will kill a lot of Lebanese civilians.
What the Lebanese government should do and with the deep pockets of the other Arab states â they should sue not only the US government for their negligence in shipping these armaments for this particular purpose, but they also should sue the armament manufacturers and as many companies and mutual funds, hedge funds, and other shareholders of these companies that they can identify.
The Arabs have a lot of money and they can fight in the court system for a long time at the cost of billions of US dollars for all parties involved.
If there were liabilities involved in the billions of US dollars â then weapons manufacturers and other shareholders would think twice to whom they sell their weapons.
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DDDooo: Since when arms sales to sovereign countries are illegal? You're losing it SA.
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SouthAmerica: The US just blocked Brazil from selling a bunch of airplanes to Venezuela.
I agree with you countries have the right to sell weapons to any other country that they want to sell their armaments to.
Saudi Arabia bought a few nuclear weapons from Pakistan about 3 years ago â and both countries had the right to buy and sell the nuclear weapons.
North Korea has the right to develop and sell its nukes to any other sovereign country that desires to acquire some of their nukes â including Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and so onâ¦..
Iran also has the right to develop and sell their nukes to other countries around the world.
Brazil has the right to develop a nuclear weapons industry and sell it on the open market to other sovereign countries.
Iranâs sell of all kinds of missiles to Lebanon also it is a legal transaction.
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Sam123: You can thank Brazilâs success to Capitalism. And when Capitalism works you commies climb out from under your rocks and blame America for its success.
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SouthAmerica: Reply to Sam 123
I have news for you.
The United States has not invented the capitalist system â even tough you seem to believe that Americans invented the capitalist system.
You said: âYouâll surely blame America if Brazil falls.â
Wrong again.
If you have the chance to read the article that I wrote about the United States decline and the rise of China in Latin America â the article is listed somewhere on this thread when someone asked me the location of few of my articles on the web â After the collapse of the Soviet Union the United States started neglecting South America including Brazil.
Instead of crying over spilled milk as you are claiming Brazil moved forward and found other markets around the world and made new friends. Today, from the Brazilian perspective the US became obsolete and the US is the one that seems like a cry-baby about the entire situation. â We lost our influence all over South America â they must hate us.
Today, July 23, 2006, A Folha de Sao Paulo had a front page article saying that: âMore than 40 social organizations and unions of Brazil, Argentina and Paraguay, countries that have a point of common land boundaries, they ârejected todayâ at the Ciudad del Este the supposed American militarized zone in that area.
âWe are building an union of social movements to denounce the effects of the American militarization in that regionâ, said Orlando Castillo, member of the service Peace Justice (Serpaj) of Paraguay.
The Forum started on Friday and more than 2,000 people who are attending the event are demanding that American troops leave the areaâ¦. And so onâ¦..
This kind of news related to declining American influence in South America is not even make the news here in the US since there are so much other things happening around the world â basically, American influence is declining everywhere.
Again, the Brazilians are not the whiners â the US is the main whiner around the world.
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âOrganizações rejeitam presença dos EUA na TrÃplice Fronteiraâ
da Efe, em Assunção
A Folha de Sao Paulo â July 22, 2006
Mais de 40 organizações sociais e sindicais do Brasil, Argentina e Paraguai, paÃses que se encontram na região da TrÃplice Fronteira, rejeitaram hoje em Ciudad del Este a suposta militarização americana na área.
"Estamos construindo uma unidade de movimentos sociais para denunciar os efeitos da militarização americana na região", disse Orlando Castillo, membro do Serviço Paz e Justiça (Serpaj) do Paraguai.
O 2º Fórum Social da TrÃplice Fronteira começou na sexta-feira com uma mobilização de mais de 2.000 pessoas em Ciudad del Este, a 330 quilômetros de Assunção, para exigir a retirada de tropas dos EUA que levam ajuda humanitária à região. O fórum será encerrado amanhã e tem como lema "Pela Vida, a Soberania e a Integração Solidária dos Povos, Lutamos contra a Militarização, a DÃvida Externa, a Alca e os Tratados de Livre-Comércio".
Castillo afirmou que um dos temas analisados foi a suposta tentativa de Washington de dominar os recursos naturais da região, principalmente o aqüÃfero Guarani. Segundo um comunicado da organização do fórum, o aqüÃfero Guarani --que abrange Brasil, Argentina, Paraguai e Uruguai-- é "a maior reserva de água doce do mundo, que pode abastecer mais de 6 bilhões de pessoas durante 200 anos", e um dos recursos cobiçados pelos Estados Unidos.
O 2º Fórum Social da TrÃplice Fronteira enumerou possÃveis estratégias de "resistência e luta coordenada" contra polÃticas do Banco Mundial (BM), da Alca e dos tratados de livre-comércio.
Participaram do fórum representantes da Central de Trabalhadores da Argentina (CTA), Movimento pela Paz e Solidariedade da Argentina, Sindicato de Jornalistas do Paraguai (SPP), Mesa Coordenadora de Organizações Camponesas (MCNOC) do Paraguai, e a Rede Brasileira de Integração dos Povos (Rebrip), entre outros.
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