Mid-East Peace: A Viable Solution

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I start with a cease fire.

People don't usually reason too well from either side during this kind of fighting.
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It's not enough to suggest a ceasefire (or anything else for that matter) unless you can explain how it's supposed to solve the problem and why it's going to work in the future if it completely failed to work in the past.

There was a cease fire for 6 years... Israel was not firing, what good did it do, what makes you think that it will be different this time, what makes you think it will not embolden Hezbollah to kill and kidnap more israelis knowing full well that people like you will demand a ceasefire every time israel is trying to retaliate?
 
Quote from fhl:

They waited for UN troops. Now they're dead. Try deadman.
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200,000 innocent civilians dead, 2 mln people displaced, Z10 and anti-israel croud are busy defending Hezbollah and Hamas.

The situation in Darfur is not a strawman Z10, it's absolutely relevant as it demonstrates the ability (or lack of thereof) of the international community to deal with a crisis. The pretense of your concern with the death of innocent civlians is the real strawman.
 
This can all be over very quickly. Isreal laid out very clearly what needs to happen for the hostilities to end. The ball is in Lebanon's...er ah Hezbolahs hands. :D
 
I suspect there is quite a lot of support in europe for the idea expressed in the opening post, namely that it would be a worthwhile trade to eliminate Israel as a country in exchange for peace. I have had plenty of issues over the years with the way the Israel tail wags the US dog, but the idea is nonsense. (Actually, it would be very much in the US' self-interest to have the nation of Israel emigrate here, but that is another issue.)

First of all, Israel has at least as much right to its land as the palestinians do. Of course there were outrages perpetrated against the palestinian inhabitants during the founding of Israel, but at some point, they have to accept reality. In any event, this is not about justice for palestinians now. It is just the tip of the anti-western muslim jihad. If we surrender Israel, it will just be the floor for further demands.

Does the violence in Iraq have anything to do with Israel? Would the insurgency stop overnight if Israel ceased to exist? Would Iran renounce nuclear weapons? Would the islamist insurgencies in indonesia, the Phillipines, India and afghanistan lay down their arms?

A more practical solution would be for Iran and Syria to cut off funding for hamas and hezbolla. For Syria to pull out of lebanon and let that country decide its own fate. Beirut used to be the jewel of the eastern Mediteranean. With peace it could reclaim that role.
 
No, it is not relevant.

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200,000 innocent civilians dead, 2 mln people displaced, Z10 and anti-israel croud are busy defending Hezbollah and Hamas.

The situation in Darfur is not a strawman Z10, it's absolutely relevant as it demonstrates the ability (or lack of thereof) of the international community to deal with a crisis. The pretense of your concern with the death of innocent civlians is the real strawman.
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Is the reality that they have to accept, i.e. the Palestinians, is that they have been dominated by superior force?

Would you accept such a situation if it happened to you?

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

I suspect there is quite a lot of support in europe for the idea expressed in the opening post, namely that it would be a worthwhile trade to eliminate Israel as a country in exchange for peace. I have had plenty of issues over the years with the way the Israel tail wags the US dog, but the idea is nonsense. (Actually, it would be very much in the US' self-interest to have the nation of Israel emigrate here, but that is another issue.)

First of all, Israel has at least as much right to its land as the palestinians do. Of course there were outrages perpetrated against the palestinian inhabitants during the founding of Israel, but at some point, they have to accept reality. In any event, this is not about justice for palestinians now. It is just the tip of the anti-western muslim jihad. If we surrender Israel, it will just be the floor for further demands.

Does the violence in Iraq have anything to do with Israel? Would the insurgency stop overnight if Israel ceased to exist? Would Iran renounce nuclear weapons? Would the islamist insurgencies in indonesia, the Phillipines, India and afghanistan lay down their arms?

A more practical solution would be for Iran and Syria to cut off funding for hamas and hezbolla. For Syria to pull out of lebanon and let that country decide its own fate. Beirut used to be the jewel of the eastern Mediteranean. With peace it could reclaim that role.
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Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Is the reality that they have to accept, i.e. the Palestinians, is that they have been dominated by superior force?

Would you accept such a situation if it happened to you?
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So, you are admitting that if a superior force from the UN comes in, the arabs won't accept it. The truth finally comes out.
 
Neither would Israel accept it, which is why the problem is on both sides.

Neither party would defer to an independent council or arbiter.

Quote from fhl:

So, you are admitting that if a superior force from the UN comes in, the arabs won't accept it. The truth finally comes out.
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