Michael Moore Scorns Obama

You sound intimidated to me already...

I am just speaking factually.

The white man in America has a history of abusing the rights of women, children, and minority groups.

So, the thought of no longer having the power or control that the white man once had I suppose would be frightening.

Persecutors, which the white man has been for most of the history of America naturally live in fear of being persecuted.

Payback is a bitch...


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Now you appear to take delight in suggestions intended to intimidate? You sink lower and lower.


By the way I would tell you the exact same thing. ANY peoples are foolish if they allow themselves to become a minority in a land where "others" have bitter psychological grievances. Look around the world. Most ethnic groups understand this.

Your assertion that white people should be concerned is common sense. After all, we are still a majority and we already have less free speech rights and less right to employment and higher education. What will be next?
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The white man in America has a history of abusing the rights of women, children, and minority groups.
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So do Muslims but you have no problem with them, Dopey.
 
Different skin colors do exist.

There are different colors of cats, dogs, etc.

So?

Modern science concludes that different colors of human beings is not different races, any more than a black dog is a different species than a white dog.

Humans are humans, dogs are dogs, cats are cats.

How someone trains their dog or cat is a greater determinant factor in how the dog or cat behaves.

Same with humans...

"Race is a real cultural, political and economic concept in society, but it is not a biological concept, and that unfortunately is what many people wrongfully consider to be the essence of race in humans -- genetic differences," says Templeton. "Evolutionary history is the key to understanding race, and new molecular biology techniques offer so much on recent evolutionary history. I wanted to bring some objectivity to the topic. This very objective analysis shows the outcome is not even a close call: There's nothing even like a really distinct subdivision of humanity."

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/19980909040042data_trunc_sys.shtml

Modern science is not on the side of the racists...

Quote from 1prometheus:

Racial differences exist Optional. No amount of rhetoric,
intimidation, etc will alter a fundamental truth. History, Present reality, and quantified facts are all on my side.

In return you offer an old and lame study. Of course suggesting "If you believe this you are dumb".


I will tell you what Optional. In a theocracy all the smart people want to belong to the religious orders. Does this somehow add validity to those particular religious beliefs? Of course not. It is simply careerism.

I, however, am impressed you actually brought forward something other than a vicious attempt to smear your mental turds upon others. That was good of you optional777. Keep it up.
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How someone trains their dog or cat is a greater determinant factor in how the dog or cat behaves.

Same with humans...
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Hey there's a great idea for a new federal program. Say maybe a $100 billion dollar a year budget to start, several thousand inept bureaucrats all with the mission of training those "problem" people. Of course after several trillion dollars and a couple of decades of no results, like just about every other federal program, the Dems will call for more spending on this program as obviously we just haven't spent enough yet.
 
Optional, for once, brings up a very good point.

Dogs, like humans, are members of the same "race".

So, why are there mostly grey hounds at dog races? Why aren't there enough basset hounds at dog races? What could it be? I just don't understand it, it must be that basset hounds are victims of "breedism", or that they are not getting enough training, or we don't spend enough money on basset hounds, or they don't get enough encouragement. What else could be the reason that basset hounds don't compete and win in races with grey hounds? Because they're all dogs!! They're all members of the dog race!! So what is it?

The real supremacists are people like optional who typically deny that race exists, which is offensive to people of various races who do know races exist and care about their own people. Then, they assume that everyone should exude their characteristics and qualities of some specific group, and if they don't then they are somehow deficient. In other words, if blacks or hispanics do not act like white people, and exude white traits, or aspire to white ideals and concepts of achievement, then something is somehow "wrong" with them and they need to be "fixed". No, they aren't okay how they are, in their own right, determining their own destiny, no they need other, better people to come in and "train" 'them.

What if you were a dog trainer, and you deny that breeds exist? There are only dogs, and they are all the same. There is no such thing as "breeds", because thats just a dog social construct. Hence, basset hounds should be able to run just as fast as grey hounds, and if they don't then something is wrong, and they are a victim of "breedism", we aren't spending enough money on basset hounds, or good trainers don't spend enough time on basset hounds. If they don't, we try to shame them, we spend lots of money, we handicap the grey hounds, and take many other creative, and well intentioned measures to try to make basset hounds into grey hounds but, at the end of the day, basset hounds are still basset hounds, and grey hounds are still grey hounds. Eventually, it becomes cruel to try to make basset hounds into grey hounds, the basset hound would become pathological.

Here, we have all these (real supremacists) who go around to various groups and tell them something is "wrong" with them, and that the need to act more like other groups, so we're going to try to "fix" you. That they aren't okay the way they are, but that they need to be repaired. Instead of celebrating diversity, and the natural differences amongst people by allowing people to be how they are in their cultures, they try to eliminate it from existence.

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Different skin colors do exist.

There are different colors of cats, dogs, etc.

So?

Modern science concludes that different colors of human beings is not different races, any more than a black dog is a different species than a white dog.

Humans are humans, dogs are dogs, cats are cats.
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Unfortunately for Optional, science is not on his side...

http://www.hhmi.org/news/lahn4.html


Human Brain Is Still Evolving
Howard Hughes Medical Institute researchers who have analyzed sequence variations in two genes that regulate brain size in human populations have found evidence that the human brain is still evolving.

They speculate that if the human species continues to survive, the human brain may continue to evolve, driven by the pressures of natural selection. Their data suggest that major variants in these genes arose at roughly the same times as the origin of culture in human populations as well as the advent of agriculture and written language.

When the researchers compared the ethnic groups in their sample for haplogroup D of ASPM , they found that it occurs more frequently in European and related populations, including Iberians, Basques, Russians, North Africans, Middle Easterners and South Asians.
 
Quote from OPTIONAL777:

You sound intimidated to me already...

I am just speaking factually.

The white man in America has a history of abusing the rights of women, children, and minority groups.

So, the thought of no longer having the power or control that the white man once had I suppose would be frightening.

Persecutors, which the white man has been for most of the history of America naturally live in fear of being persecuted.

Payback is a bitch...
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Right, you are merely reciting liberal ideology that we all learned in school. Who cares? Heard it all before.
 
"...which is offensive to people of various races who do know races exist and care about their own people."

Yep, small minded based cultures do everything in their power to divide the human species...the klannish minded in the south are an example of a refusal by some members of a common group, i.e. human beings, to look to the minor differences in other members of the common group to feel themselves and their group superior to other groups.

These are the people who continue to speak in terms of race as it is a way to divide people, where modern science has no use for the word race when looking at the biology of the human species.



Quote from phenomena:

Optional, for once, brings up a very good point.

Dogs, like humans, are members of the same "race".

So, why are there mostly grey hounds at dog races? Why aren't there enough basset hounds at dog races? What could it be? I just don't understand it, it must be that basset hounds are victims of "breedism", or that they are not getting enough training, or we don't spend enough money on basset hounds, or they don't get enough encouragement. What else could be the reason that basset hounds don't compete and win in races with grey hounds? Because they're all dogs!! They're all members of the dog race!! So what is it?

The real supremacists are people like optional who typically deny that race exists, which is offensive to people of various races who do know races exist and care about their own people. Then, they assume that everyone should exude their characteristics and qualities of some specific group, and if they don't then they are somehow deficient. In other words, if blacks or hispanics do not act like white people, and exude white traits, or aspire to white ideals and concepts of achievement, then something is somehow "wrong" with them and they need to be "fixed". No, they aren't okay how they are, in their own right, determining their own destiny, no they need other, better people to come in and "train" 'them.

What if you were a dog trainer, and you deny that breeds exist? There are only dogs, and they are all the same. There is no such thing as "breeds", because thats just a dog social construct. Hence, basset hounds should be able to run just as fast as grey hounds, and if they don't then something is wrong, and they are a victim of "breedism", we aren't spending enough money on basset hounds, or good trainers don't spend enough time on basset hounds. If they don't, we try to shame them, we spend lots of money, we handicap the grey hounds, and take many other creative, and well intentioned measures to try to make basset hounds into grey hounds but, at the end of the day, basset hounds are still basset hounds, and grey hounds are still grey hounds. Eventually, it becomes cruel to try to make basset hounds into grey hounds, the basset hound would become pathological.

Here, we have all these (real supremacists) who go around to various groups and tell them something is "wrong" with them, and that the need to act more like other groups, so we're going to try to "fix" you. That they aren't okay the way they are, but that they need to be repaired. Instead of celebrating diversity, and the natural differences amongst people by allowing people to be how they are in their cultures, they try to eliminate it from existence.



Unfortunately for Optional, science is not on his side...

http://www.hhmi.org/news/lahn4.html


Human Brain Is Still Evolving
Howard Hughes Medical Institute researchers who have analyzed sequence variations in two genes that regulate brain size in human populations have found evidence that the human brain is still evolving.

They speculate that if the human species continues to survive, the human brain may continue to evolve, driven by the pressures of natural selection. Their data suggest that major variants in these genes arose at roughly the same times as the origin of culture in human populations as well as the advent of agriculture and written language.

When the researchers compared the ethnic groups in their sample for haplogroup D of ASPM , they found that it occurs more frequently in European and related populations, including Iberians, Basques, Russians, North Africans, Middle Easterners and South Asians.
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Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Different skin colors do exist.

There are different colors of cats, dogs, etc.

So?
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So there are no statistically signifigant differences between different types of dogs?

No way to classify them by traits, aptitudes, or other empirical metrics?

That might be the case for a blind man with mental deficiencies. The rest of us, however, Can fully see measurable, real differences. Between populations that evolved seperately for many thousands of years.

We know certain types are better than others at certain things, have different physical characteristics, and this has been extensively measured for 100 years. You are not able to dispute this and have any credibility.

Saying race does not exist is semantics. We use the word "race" because most all people immediately know what we are talking about. It is mere convenience.

I have said here before: "Race" as we understand it is best understood NOT as skin color, but where a persons genetic kin evolved in separation from other groups for many thousands of years:

In other words, "Sub saharan African" is really more accurate for what many of us call "black" than the word "black". For me it might be more accurate to say "Northern European" rather than "White".

So, to to the extent you say skin color is of little consequence: I agree. the focus on skin color as "race" is a fabrication and has very little meaning.

-Did you know that certain Africans have an anatomical structure that gives them a built in advantage at running? It is true. The white man will never catch up, end of story. Is this significant? Well, to those who want to be in a sport that involves running or Jumping, hell yes it is.

-Did you know that different "Races" have different average brain sizes? It is true. Asians (on average, like everything i say here) have the largest brains. Whites are in the middle. Blacks have the smallest brains.

Funny, but that is also how IQ scores, (and an amazing amount of other average population differences) are ordered, and for all people there is a small correlation between brain size and intelligence.

Now, we can talk semantics till we are blue in the face. And it is true, on their own, using the eye in the sky perspective, we are all extremely similar. Yet in the real word, small differences matter a great deal. It is the difference between a college athlete and someone who can go pro. The difference between someone who has the mental aptitude to be a Dr. vs. someone who can't figure out Algebra. The patterns of performance are all around us, and most significantly they MATCH the empirical data of what average population differences between races (using the definition I provide) would suggest.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/science/20adapt.html?_r=1&ref=science&pagewanted=all

Key quote:

"One aspect of this pattern is that there seem to be more genes under recent selection in East Asians and Europeans than in Africans, possibly because the people who left Africa were then forced to adapt to different environments. “It’s a reasonable inference that non-Africans were becoming exposed to a wide variety of novel climates,” says Dr. Stoneking of the Max Planck Institute.

The cases of natural selection that have been tracked so far take the form of substantial sweeps, with a new version of a gene being present in a large percentage of the population. These hard sweeps are often assumed to start from a novel mutation. But it can take a long time for the right mutation to occur, especially if there is a very small target, like the region of DNA that controls a gene. In the worst case, the waiting time would be 300,000 generations, according to a calculation by Jonathan Pritchard, a population geneticist at the University of Chicago. And indeed, there are not many hard sweeps in the human genome.

But the new evidence that humans have adapted rapidly and extensively suggests that natural selection must have other options for changing a trait besides waiting for the right mutation to show up. In an article in Current Biology in February, Dr. Pritchard suggested that a lot of natural selection may take place through what he called soft sweeps."

Funny, but the NYT is starting to cover the real science, not the PC bs we have been spoon fed. This means that the narrative is likely changing, and the PC BS optional spouts will be ridiculed in not all that long.

But regardless as Mr. King (the drug crazed criminal) once said, "can't we all get along?"
 
Someone has a dog that can't be trained...they often put the dog down.

Humans that can't be trained?

They join the Tea Party...

Quote from 1prometheus:

So there are no statistically signifigant differences between different types of dogs?

No way to classify them by traits, aptitudes, or other empirical metrics?

That might be the case for a blind man with mental deficiencies. The rest of us, however, Can fully see measurable, real differences. Between populations that evolved seperately for many thousands of years.

We know certain types are better than others at certain things, have different physical characteristics, and this has been extensively measured for 100 years. You are not able to dispute this and have any credibility.

Saying race does not exist is semantics. We use the word "race" because most all people immediately know what we are talking about. It is mere convenience.

I have said here before: "Race" as we understand it is best understood NOT as skin color, but where a persons genetic kin evolved in separation from other groups for many thousands of years:

In other words, "Sub saharan African" is really more accurate for what many of us call "black" than the word "black". For me it might be more accurate to say "Northern European" rather than "White".

So, to to the extent you say skin color is of little consequence: I agree. the focus on skin color as "race" is a fabrication and has very little meaning.

-Did you know that certain Africans have an anatomical structure that gives them a built in advantage at running? It is true. The white man will never catch up, end of story. Is this significant? Well, to those who want to be in a sport that involves running or Jumping, hell yes it is.

-Did you know that different "Races" have different average brain sizes? It is true. Asians (on average, like everything i say here) have the largest brains. Whites are in the middle. Blacks have the smallest brains.

Funny, but that is also how IQ scores, (and an amazing amount of other average population differences) are ordered, and for all people there is a small correlation between brain size and intelligence.

Now, we can talk semantics till we are blue in the face. And it is true, on their own, in the big, cosmic picture, we are all extremely similar. Yet, in the real word, small differences matter a great deal. It is the difference between a college athlete and someone who can go pro. someone who has the mental aptitude to be a Dr. vs. someone who can't figure out Algebra. The patterns of performance are all around us, and most significantly they MATCH the empirical data.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/science/20adapt.html?_r=1&ref=science&pagewanted=all

Key quote:

"One aspect of this pattern is that there seem to be more genes under recent selection in East Asians and Europeans than in Africans, possibly because the people who left Africa were then forced to adapt to different environments. “It’s a reasonable inference that non-Africans were becoming exposed to a wide variety of novel climates,” says Dr. Stoneking of the Max Planck Institute.

The cases of natural selection that have been tracked so far take the form of substantial sweeps, with a new version of a gene being present in a large percentage of the population. These hard sweeps are often assumed to start from a novel mutation. But it can take a long time for the right mutation to occur, especially if there is a very small target, like the region of DNA that controls a gene. In the worst case, the waiting time would be 300,000 generations, according to a calculation by Jonathan Pritchard, a population geneticist at the University of Chicago. And indeed, there are not many hard sweeps in the human genome.

But the new evidence that humans have adapted rapidly and extensively suggests that natural selection must have other options for changing a trait besides waiting for the right mutation to show up. In an article in Current Biology in February, Dr. Pritchard suggested that a lot of natural selection may take place through what he called soft sweeps."

Funny, but the NYT is starting to cover the real science, not the PC bs we have been spoon fed. This means that the narrative is likely changing, and the PC BS optional spouts will be ridiculed in not all that long.

But regardless as Mr. King (the drug crazed criminal) once said, "can't we all get along?"
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