Michael Moore Kills Capitalism With Kool-Aid

Quote from Trvlwanderer:

Watch the Nuremburg rallies of 1927 and 1936. Notice the same rhetoric wildly exciting the crowds? I bet the similarities were staggering.

As I have said of the mass media and such virtuous (yet mysteriously capitalistic) movie makers/actors....Goebbels would be proud.

BINGO!
 
Quote from Trvlwanderer:

Watch the Nuremburg rallies of 1927 and 1936. Notice the same rhetoric wildly exciting the crowds? I bet the similarities were staggering.

As I have said of the mass media and such virtuous (yet mysteriously capitalistic) movie makers/actors....Goebbels would be proud.

Nice review.

Thanks. Moore did say afterward during the Q&A that if Obama did not come through on the issues he wants that his next film will be about Obama and will make his Bush/911 film look like a 'Disney" picture. I really don't doubt Moore on that. He proposes socialism flat out. Doesn't hide or sugar coat it.
 
Very good review, thank you.

I can scarcely believe that those words came out of the mouth of a US President, sounds like a communist command economy manifesto.

How many of the people cheering would give up their Ipods and notebooks?In Moore's world they wouldn't have any of those things. Moore's world is one in which innovation dies, and innovation is really America's, and indeed the world's, only hope.

The irony is that it was characters like Dodd, Frank, Graham and other elected officials and their minions that orchestrated the systemic abuse and gaming of our market based economy. Were it not for the market puking when things got so over the top that even government intervention couldn't mask the imbalances anymore we would still be heading down the road to greater peril and collapse (and due to the massive extra market interventions we may still be). It is the free market that provides a check on the excesses of the corrupt, no one is bigger than the market.

Moore's utopian vision relies entirely on a government made up of humans endowed with almost god like wisdom and altruism that we have never before witnessed in government. Wasn't Obama supposed to be one of these guys, and look at Moore's take on him now!

The fact, proven time and again in system after system, is that it is humans that are the weak link. Whatever system that we live under it had better have some built in checks that guard against that weakness. As far as I know a free market based system is the only one that provides those checks. What we need to be doing is strengthening the free market system rather than making it even more susceptible to corruption and abuse by government officials and those who have the resources to control and influence them.
 
I know I'll never watch the movie, people like you keep me up to date on what's current. thanks for writing the review. Very interesting.
 
I wish I was there for the Q and A session after the movie.

It would have gone something like this-

Clubber Lang- "Hey fat ass. Why don't you redistribute half your net worth to the hundreds of struggling families you use as sympathetic pawns in your horribly biased poorly researched documentaries?"

(crowd boo's)

Moore replies- "Ummmmmm, Obama rules and George Bush sucks!"

(crowd goes insanely wild chanting Moore and Obama's name while I run for the exits to escape a mob beat down.)

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Moore and his loser fans can suck my balls. His films blow and the fact that he preaches socialism yet owns multiple million dollar residences and has a 10 figure net worth shows that he is a fat fucking lying scumbag.
 
Quote from Mvic:

Very good review, thank you.

I can scarcely believe that those words came out of the mouth of a US President, sounds like a communist command economy manifesto.

How many of the people cheering would give up their Ipods and notebooks?In Moore's world they wouldn't have any of those things. Moore's world is one in which innovation dies, and innovation is really America's, and indeed the world's, only hope.

The irony is that it was characters like Dodd, Frank, Graham and other elected officials and their minions that orchestrated the systemic abuse and gaming of our market based economy. Were it not for the market puking when things got so over the top that even government intervention couldn't mask the imbalances anymore we would still be heading down the road to greater peril and collapse (and due to the massive extra market interventions we may still be). It is the free market that provides a check on the excesses of the corrupt, no one is bigger than the market.

Moore's utopian vision relies entirely on a government made up of humans endowed with almost god like wisdom and altruism that we have never before witnessed in government. Wasn't Obama supposed to be one of these guys, and look at Moore's take on him now!

The fact, proven time and again in system after system, is that it is humans that are the weak link. Whatever system that we live under it had better have some built in checks that guard against that weakness. As far as I know a free market based system is the only one that provides those checks. What we need to be doing is strengthening the free market system rather than making it even more susceptible to corruption and abuse by government officials and those who have the resources to control and influence them.

capitalism is an utopian idea that does not reflect current human society

the idea is good in theory, like communism, but has many irationalities in it because humans are irrational.

you shouldn't forget that corporations didn't get invented until capitalism was already there for hundreds of years.
capitalism is a dynamic process, not a static one.
 
It is so sad that there are no more people left that could explain with such clarity the pitfalls of socialism. Friedman and Buckley are surely missed.
 
One thing we know for sure is that Michael Moore does NOT have his own personal trainer...

What are the libertarians stance with regards to Moore? It would be interesting to hear their opinion, because Covel is more a Randian (is there a proper name for it?) than a libertarian....
 
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Friedman was quick in response, “…is there some society you know that doesn’t run on greed? You think Russia doesn’t run on greed? You think China doesn’t run on greed? The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests. The great achievements of civilization have not come from government bureaus. Einstein didn’t construct his theory under order from a bureaucrat. Henry Ford didn’t revolutionize the automobile industry that way. In the only cases in which the masses have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty you’re talking about, the only cases in recorded history are where they have had capitalism and largely free trade. If you want to know where the masses are worst off, it’s exactly in the kinds of societies that depart from that. So that the record of history is absolutely crystal clear: that there is no alternative way so far discovered of improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by a free enterprise system.”

Donahue (and the video of this on YouTube is classic) then countered saying that capitalism rewards the ability to manipulate the system and not virtue. Friedman was having none of it, “And what does reward virtue? You think the communist commissar rewards virtue? …Do you think American presidents reward virtue? Do they choose their appointees on the basis of the virtue of the people appointed or on the basis of their political clout? Is it really true that political self-interest is nobler somehow than economic self-interest? …Just tell me where in the world you find these angels who are going to organize society for us?”

Friedman’s logic was what I was remembering as a theater full of people cheered wildly for a second Bill of Rights. How did this film crowd actually think FDR’s 1944 vision could be executed? Frankly, it was clear to me at that moment capitalism was on shaky ground. Starting with Bush ‘abandoning’ capitalism to bailouts for everyone to Obama gifting away the future – we seriously might be past the point of no return toward a socialization of America.

Figuring someone else must see the problems with this film, I started poking around the net for other views. One critic declared that the value of Capitalism: A Love Story was not in the moviemaking, but in its message that hits you in the gut and makes you angry. This film did not make me angry, but it did punch me in the gut. The people in that theater with me were not bad people, including Moore. They just seem to all have consumed a lethal dose of Kool-Aid! And at the end of his Q&A Moore pushed the audience to understand that while they don’t have the money, they do have the vote. He implored them to use their vote to take money from one group to give it another group. Did he really say that openly with no ambiguity? Yes, sadly.

Michael Covel

P.S. Where am I wrong?

As always, it's not the concern the baker has for you, but the concern of his own self-interest that makes him bake bread, to paraphrase Adam Smith.
 
Quote from nutmeg:

I know I'll never watch the movie...
Sort of like the far gone religious folk who will never read Dawkins's The God Delusion? :)

I am all for regulated capitalism, but I will likely see this movie for the simple reason that it outrages members of ET's uber-capitalist brain trust who, with one exception, have not even seen it yet.
 
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