Methods for gaining muscle and losing fat

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Quote from TRS:

I'm up to speed on the sweet science. UFC I can take or leave. To expend the calories to drop the weight you state is not possible.
Anyway, it would not be in the interest of the combatant to drop this amount of weight in this period of time.

Oh... OK... thank you for that...! Guess I'll just have to tell all the boxers and UFC fighters to stop doing it!
 
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Trust me man... It's not impossible... I'm not lying to you... Fighters do extreme weight cuts all the time prior to their weigh-ins for their fights... But yeah, it is unhealthy and not recomended for people who aren't elite athletes.

Guys will walk around 195 lbs... Cut to 170 lbs for their weigh-in 24 hours before the fight and then be like 190 lbs the day of the fight... 20 lbs cut in 24 hours is usually the limit though.


Don't eat not one damn thing and run a marathon that evening, yea maybe lose 20lbs in 24 hrs :D

20lbs of tissue is about 60,000 cals burned , c'mon man :D
 
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Trust me man... It's not impossible... I'm not lying to you... Fighters do extreme weight cuts all the time prior to their weigh-ins for their fights... But yeah, it is unhealthy and not recomended for people who aren't elite athletes.

Guys will walk around 195 lbs... Cut to 170 lbs for their weigh-in 24 hours before the fight and then be like 190 lbs the day of the fight... 20 lbs cut in 24 hours is usually the limit though.

40 lbs range in 48 hrs?
 
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Don't eat not one damn thing and run a marathon that evening, yea maybe lose 20lbs in 24 hrs :D

10-15 lbs for like 170-185 pounders is doable... 20 lbs for 205 pounders is also doable...

Yeah it's at the extreme of the range... most cut around 10-15 lbs before the fight.

GSP once cut about 20 lbs before weigh in for a fight at 170 lbs... Didn't say how he cut but he weighed in at 192 lbs the day of the fight!

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/1628?urn=mma,wp1628

Pretty hard to put on 22 pounds overnight if it isn't due to water loss and starvation the day before.

Example
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This dude lost 8 lbs in one hour!

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Obviously he's doing harder workouts than the stationary bike...!

There's lots of other examples out there but I think you guys get the point!:D

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40 lbs range in 48 hrs?

You'd probably die from that! :eek: 20 lbs is about the upper limit for people around 200 lbs... There isn't much left for you to lose after 20 lbs even if you extend it to 48 hours!:p
 
Quote from johnkurtz:

Don't eat not one damn thing and run a marathon that evening, yea maybe lose 20lbs in 24 hrs :D

20lbs of tissue is about 60,000 cals burned , c'mon man :D

Yeah... Well they ain't cutting tissue... It's mostly water loss and starvation, cleaning out your bowels and so on... Obviously there's also some serious fat burn going on as well but it isn't the major part of it.
 
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Yeah... Well they ain't cutting tissue... It's mostly water loss and starvation, cleaning out your bowels and so on... Obviously there's also some serious fat burn going on as well but it isn't the major part of it.

"water loss, starvation and "A" bowel movement does not and cannot account for 20lbs and 60,000 cals.
:D

sorry, but your math don't add up
 
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The most extreme version of the cut is where you drop 20 lbs in about 24 hours. You don't eat or drink anything and you just stay on a stationary bike all day... Then you occassionally go to the sauna. It sucks...


This is the original conversation. We're talking about cutting.
Dropping 20 lbs in 24 hours. Not a total of 25 lbs over an unspecified period of time as GSP achieved.

Don't get me wrong, phenomenal performance for these guys to achieve what they do.
The information you provided, though interesting, doesn't support your position.
 
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This is the original conversation. We're talking about cutting.
Dropping 20 lbs in 24 hours. Not a total of 25 lbs over an unspecified period of time as GSP achieved.

Don't get me wrong, phenomenal performance for these guys to achieve what they do.
The information you provided, though interesting, doesn't support your position.

Here's a video with a guy doing 20 lbs in 24 hours...

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Please no more comments about this... It's doable!
 
Quote from CoolTraderDude:

Here's a video with a guy doing 20 lbs in 24 hours...

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Please no more comments about this... It's doable!

Thanks.
Note he mentioned at 9:28 "it was only two days but an eternity of torment"...?

Anyways, well argued.

I'm guessing he was more than a bit flat for the fight?
Hardly the ideal preparation.
 
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Thanks.
Note he mentioned at 9:28 "it was only two days but an eternity of torment"...?

Anyways, well argued.

I'm guessing he was more than a bit flat for the fight?
Hardly the ideal preparation.

The clock ar 1:17 shows you that he had 17 hours and some minutes left to cut... So probably just bad speech on their part. It probably seemed like 2 days to him because he was up 24 hours... People usually stay awake for oh, I don't know... 12 hours or so in a day...

As I recall from season 1 of TUF he won the fight with a knockout... There's different schools of thought on whether it's good or not... It isn't good for your health and you might miss weight for the weigh-in. But if you do do it right you can come in to the fight heavier than your opponent which is the entire point. That way you can get a size advantage on him.

There isn't much of a point in doing it if you're too tired to fight though... If your opponent does the same thing it just cancels out and you'll both be fighting at 185 lbs despite having signed a contract for a fight at let's say 170 lbs! Eitherway, everybody does it... so... if you want to be a fighter you've got to do it too.... :cool:
 
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