Methods for gaining muscle and losing fat

[CoolTraderDude]

Quote from Baron:

I could photoshop my face on a naked chick and you'd have the best of both worlds..

...LOL...

You look a lot like Mark Wahlberg!

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Anyway, ... Yeah the "CUT" is a bitch anyway you look at it... If you want to continue working out then I'd suggest P90X in the weight loss/cut version. You're pretty advanced though so you probably know everything in there...

My background is in MMA and all sorts of "combat fitness", long distance running etc...

The most extreme version of the cut is where you drop 20 lbs in about 24 hours. You don't eat or drink anything and you just stay on a stationary bike all day... Then you occassionally go to the sauna. It sucks...

You can cut weight with low intensity, long duraton workouts... Generally +1 hour non-stop... The easiest form of the cut is to drop your calories down... You don't have to change your diet much just get rid of more than 100 calories a day... 100-200 calories less will do just fine and get on that stationary bike at low intensity but for more than an hour. You can adjust and add other workouts as you see fit...

You mentioned plyometrics earlier, they're awesome... But dangerous as they happen to be the most joint destroying workout there is...! I've also tried yoga which is way harder than I ever thought...!

 

[johnkurtz]

Quote from Baron:

The reason why I don't add that stuff is because it doesn't taste anywhere near as good as these

I'm telling you... Get some of these and you'll be impressed at how good they taste. There was a point during my lo-carb diet a few months ago when I was almost living on these things.

4 oz of almonds = 600 cals!

amazing anyone could get cut eating handfuls of those all day :eek:

there are much much better low calorie vegetable choices

 

[TRS]

Quote from CoolTraderDude:


The most extreme version of the cut is where you drop 20 lbs in about 24 hours. You don't eat or drink anything and you just stay on a stationary bike all day... Then you occassionally go to the sauna.

20 lbs in 24 hours? Even considering percentage proportional weight loss ie: sumo wrestler, weight loss of this magnitude I find hard to believe.

 

[johnkurtz]

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20 lbs in 24 hours? Even considering percentage proportional weight loss ie: sumo wrestler, weight loss of this magnitude I find hard to believe.

You are correct thats impossible by the laws of thermodynamics. Dehydration accounts for much of the quick weightloss


BTW, about 20 almonds = 1 oz = 150+cals
how can almonds be a food of choice for weight/fatloss?
better choices from the plant family, like carrot stiks dipped in hummus

 

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http://www.nutrition-and-you.com/walnuts.html

 

[TRS]

Quote from johnkurtz:

You are correct thats impossible by the laws of thermodynamics. Dehydration accounts for much of the quick weightloss

Yeah, you would have to be pushing very, very serious speeds on stationary bike to expend the necessary calories to drop that sort of weight. Accompanied with drugs of an illegal nature.

 

[CoolTraderDude]

Quote from johnkurtz:

You are correct thats impossible by the laws of thermodynamics. Dehydration accounts for much of the quick weightloss

Yeah you're right... It is mostly water loss...

Quote from TRS:

20 lbs in 24 hours? Even considering percentage proportional weight loss ie: sumo wrestler, weight loss of this magnitude I find hard to believe.

Watch boxing or the UFC, fighters do it all the time and they've been doing it for a long time now. But yeah... It is water loss with some slight fat loss.

Quote from TRS:

Yeah, you would have to be pushing very, very serious speeds on stationary bike to expend the necessary calories to drop that sort of weight. Accompanied with drugs of an illegal nature.

Trust me it's doable without any drugs or supplements but it is hell on earth for anybody doing it... All you have to do along with it is to stop eating and drinking for the day. The effects don't last long obviously after you eat and rehydrate...!

You can also do a gentler fat burning version of it over a longer period of time with some other workouts thrown in there. This will last longer as you're obviously burning more fat and adjusting your body to a new required weight...

Here's an example... Along with 200 calories less a day...

5 mile walk

Rest

Then together in the same workout...

30 minutes stationary bike...

20 minutes shadow boxing in the mirror...

30 minutes stationary bike...

or...

1 hour stationary bike...

5 min rest

30 minutes shadow boxing in the mirror...

This would be an example of a low intensity cut over time...

Results will vary... The more you do, the less you eat, the more you cut...!

 

[johnkurtz]

Quote from CoolTraderDude:

Yeah you're right... It is mostly water loss...



Watch boxing or the UFC, fighters do it all the time and they've been doing for a long time now. But yeah... It is water loss with some slight fat loss.

That's not only impossible but not very healthy. A few lbs per MONTH is what i shoot for but i'm near perfect weight now 142 @6'

 

[TRS]

Quote from CoolTraderDude:

Yeah you're right... It is mostly water loss...



Watch boxing or the UFC, fighters do it all the time and they've been doing for a long time now. But yeah... It is water loss with some slight fat loss.

I'm up to speed on the sweet science. UFC I can take or leave. To expend the calories to drop the weight you state is not possible.
Anyway, it would not be in the interest of the combatant to drop this amount of weight in this period of time.

 

[CoolTraderDude]

Quote from johnkurtz:

That's not only impossible but not very healthy. A few lbs per MONTH is what i shoot for but i'm near perfect weight now 142 @6'

Trust me man... It's not impossible... I'm not lying to you... Fighters do extreme weight cuts all the time prior to their weigh-ins for their fights... But yeah, it is unhealthy and not recomended for people who aren't elite athletes.

Guys will walk around 195 lbs... Cut to 170 lbs for their weigh-in 24 hours before the fight and then be like 190 lbs the day of the fight... 20 lbs cut in 24 hours is usually the limit though.