Quote from DakotaDohBoy:
As to your comment on migrants taking over all the blue collar jobs. That is a falicy and a complete joke perpetraded by hate mongers. There is truth in that there are a lot of foreigners in construction, particularly Mexicans. There is no (or shockingly little) truth in that US companies would rather hire these individuals. The real truth is that very few Americans are willing to do the type of work these individuals are willing to do.
There is no such thing as a job Americans wonât do. There are however employers who wonât pay an honest days wage for an honest days work and import immigrants here so they can get it done cheaper. Do you really think that the farmers in Florida would have no one to pick the oranges if there werenât any Hispanics? Yea theyâd just let them rot on the trees because no one would want to pick them. I went to a city about 20 minutes from my house a few weeks ago. It is an older town with a lot of older people that have lived there for many years. I went to a local sub/pizza chain there because the one by my house closed down. I was surprised to see three 17 or 18 year old white girls working the cash registers. And they were pretty nice and seemed happy to be there. I looked in the back and the cook was a white guy. Then the manager came out and he was an older white guy. I thought this was odd because arenât those jobs that Americans wonât do because they are too lazy?
This is my opinion and it is two fold. At one of the pizza places I used to work at, there was an Hispanic assistant manager there. We worked together for about a year and for the most part, got along fine. Although she always showed a bias to the other Hispanic drivers and customers. Like for instance, she started cracking down on coupons and would ask for them when the customers came in, which is not usually the norm for pizza places. So white people would come in and didnât have the coupon and she would charge them full price. One day an Hispanic man came in and I got the pizza and gave it to him and saw which coupon he used. When she rang him up, although they were talking in Spanish, I could tell she was asking him for the coupon. He shook his ahead and I guess gestured that it was at home. She kind of hesitated a minute and then abtrubtly said well just bring it next time and gave him the discounted price. When he left I said something like, âoh well I guess if youâre Hispanic, you donât need the coupon, only white and black people do.â She just walked away.
Later, she became the store manager, and immediately started acting different to me. I would be busy all night doing my regular duties, and then sheâd make me scrub the floor after everybody else left, meanwhile the Hispanic cooks had nothing to do half the time and sat on their butt. I sucked it in because I was making good money at the time. But then she starts asking me which days I want to give up to make room for the new drivers. I said I didnât want to give up any and asked why she would hire new people when there are already enough good people working there. (And I can outdrive anybody there, without even speeding.) Anyways I gave up one shift and of course 3 days later 2 new Hispanic drivers are working there. So after awhile you kind of get the point. Theyâre going to push you out one way or another. You donât fit in there. Then pretty soon they take over and only hire their own. Not all are like that however. I have had many good Hispanic friends that Iâve worked with.
The second side as to why Americans donât work low end jobs is because we have been told not to. We look down at people who work at McDonaldâs. So when they try to get a better job, we assume that there is a bad reason that they are working there, and thus are not given the same consideration. We have been ingrained to go to college or whatever and get a good job. So when people graduate, they naturally demand that they be given a good high paying job because of the work that they have put in. Low end jobs are beneath them because after all they are eduacted or whatever.
This also goes for those looking for new jobs. Take for instance somebody who gets laid off or whatever. He starts looking for an equivalent job, but after 6 months, hasnât gotten anything. So he goes and works a low end job or delivers pizza just so he can have a job and make a little money. He keeps sending out resumes and eventually gets an interview. The employer is impressed by him and understands why heâs been out of work. They are about to offer him a job when they ask him what heâs been doing while unemployed. He confesses that after 6 months of looking, he went and delivered some pizzaâs just to make some money. Now do you think that person is going to now be given the same consideration as another person sitting at home collecting unemployment? After all at least being unemployed nowadays is respected. You can just say that youâve looked everywhere and havenât gotten a job and everybody feels sorry for you. But a guy that works a low end job just to have one in the meantime, well there must be a bad reason heâs working a job like that. Just my opinion anyways.
Quote from DakotaDohBoy:
A final thought on immigrants, consider this. We have a significant portion or our population starting to retire. To keep growing an economy at a healthy rate, there needs to be a proper balance between young, middle age, and elderly/retired folks. We will be entering an era when that balance will be disrupted. The fastest way to fix that is through immigration. I believe we should open up more visas to those with the needed skills. Good luck.
Ok that really doesnât make sense, if you ask me. First off, how is inflating the workforce with foreign labor going to fix the overall problem? Even if your idea worked, all it would do is extend the ponzi scheme that is Social Security.
The problem is that not enough is being paid in. So how does bringing more people here solve that problem? All that does is create more competition and lower the wages people are making, which also creates less incentive for people to work anyways. If you want to mess with the free market like that, why donât we vastly limit the imports from China? If we do that, all that money going over there, will create jobs here. Then people have more jobs and pay more into the system. The 2008 trade deficit with China was 100 billion. If that money were here and SS got 15%, thatâs 15 billion extra a year. The other 85 will also filter in as it is spent and other people make money from it. I donât know if thatâs the way you calculate it right, but itâs gotta make a difference. Also if we stop all the foreign wars and policing the world, we could save billions, which could be used to pay for present and future debts. Just a thought.
Oh and Alan Keyes and Ron Paul donât belong in the same sentence. Ron Paul is a revolutionary, while Keyes is literally the most annoying person in the world.