Mental Ceilings and self fulfilling prophesies

It seems to me, that having all the cognitive skills in the world is useless without great care and attention over the psychological aspects. Does that make any sense?

Best

Natalie



It is now almost 4 am in England. Without proper rest you will be straining your psychological resources, I am afraid. Please get some rest.

Bruce :p
 
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I agree. And, as you were suggesting earlier I believe mastering '2' and knowing only the basics of the first half of '1' will get you very far. The cream of the crop are those who are able to know a great deal (highly proficient in the first half of '1') without letting that knowledge disturb '2.'
-Rich

I must agree with you.

And as you said, this would be true almost in all professions. Try to throw one of those computer professors into a PC lab and see how he functions...

TM Traders
 
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I've been there too, and I wonder how many others have...?

add me to the list. just glad i learned it with (relatively) play money early in life instead of niederhoffer money late in life.

et moi aussi, heureusement, j'étais jeune et pauvre avec l'abondance de temps pour récupérer
 
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That does not then explain how it is that many of the very best analysts, who totally understand every nuance of price/volume/all the indicators etc. often can't actually trade for themselves, while others who may not have studied all those things can trade virutally blind on price alone?

maybe this is a simplistic answer - i won't be offended if someone says so :-) - but if practice really makes perfect it could be argued analysts aren't good traders because they're too busy analysing instead of trading.

nobody ever bought or sold a share of RSI. ultimately what we do is based on only two things: price and time. we all come with a sense for the latter, and trading seems to be the most direct way to become familiar with the former.
 
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It seems to me, that having all the cognitive skills in the world is useless without great care and attention over the psychological aspects. Does that make any sense?

yep. figure out what it is that scares you out of positions that you should stay in, or keeps you in positions you should bail on, then apply the "cognitive skills" to develop a set of trading technique that works around that fear. if you - the generic you, not you, GP - can't handle a position going 100 dow points to the red, don't even bother messing with systems that will allow that, you're doomed to fail before you even start.

virtually every tick the market has generated since inception has provided an opportunity for both a profitable short and a profitable long, clearly the problem isn't "the market" or lack of profitable ideologies.

the problem is the person in the mirror.
 
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add me to the list. just glad i learned it with (relatively) play money early in life instead of niederhoffer money late in life.

et moi aussi, heureusement, j'étais jeune et pauvre avec l'abondance de temps pour récupérer

Il y a un autre thread ici avec cette question d'age.

Is it better to learn to trade very young?

Best

Natalie
 
Can you explain why tennis coachers who know all about tennis cannot play like their champions they coach ? As I explained in a thread many people consider that trading is just intellectual whereas there is a physical part in trading. As you can play tennis without theory you can trade without theory but if you want to reach a high level theory is useful. So "pavlov" 's traders although rather stupid can succeed in the market.

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Quote from Girlpower:

That does not then explain how it is that many of the very best analysts, who totally understand every nuance of price/volume/all the indicators etc. often can't actually trade for themselves, while others who may not have studied all those things can trade virutally blind on price alone?

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OK Folks,

Since I don't want to be a spoilsport, and give DT-waw some samples on the way, I'll give you a brief peek into one of my trading systems.
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I don't trade daily systems (anymore), since I don't like overnight exposure. However, quite often I will take a position through overnight on the 10-and-15-min systems, since the signals tend to be strong.

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By the way, the "HIAP" stands for "Human Intelligence Analysis Project" and is about one of my theories of essentially predicting people's stupidity, but also the drivers of fear, greed, the cause of reversals and other distinctive market actions. "HIAP" has now become "AHIAP", with the extra A standing for "Advanced", since I just had a major behavioural research breakthrough, making the HIAP systems essentially obsolete. This particular system was in fact my 239th system of the HIAP category! A lot of systems got dumped in the process, though :D

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The system is very adaptive- It trades both in trending as well as oscillating conditions, which makes it exceptional.

System Specs:

System Style: Both Reversal & Trend. Identifies Trend changes early / as they happen by utilizing volume accumulation percentage, trix momentum divergence, money flow, CCI, chaikin level peaks & divergences. Since the underlying systems are mainly oscillator-based, we can call it a reversal / oscillator system.

TimeFrame: 5min
Trades/Month: >100 / 4-5 per day
Backtest Hitrate: 84% (5 weeks)
Current Fwdtest / Actual trade Hitrate: 71% (12 days / 43 trades)
Backtest annualized % return: 2,630%
Forward Test ann.% return so far: 1,205%
Annualized returns calculated on margin of $5,000 per contract

The secret to the success of the system is not the high hitrate, but the small adaptive (initial) stop-loss regime.

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Basically, it is a reversing signal system that has you in either a short or long pos at all times. However, the advanced money management parameters are what causes more than 70% of the performance returns of this system. Not only is it reversal-based,
but it also trails every winning trade with painstakingly attuned fibonacci-based trailing stops, most suitable for this particular market, plus it has target profit stops to lock in and close exceptionally quick moves / profitable trades! This is what makes all the difference. The system has both adaptive (ATR-based) trailing fib stops and profit targets, as soon as a trade is entered! In fact, the money management models, which have been painstakingly attuned to this particular futures contract, increase the %return of this system by the factor 6.5! Meaning, the system would yield less than 200% p.a.

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Only if the system considers the gain worthwhile despite the 1pt initial setback, will it consider entry. ...

You may have wondered here, thinking all I do is trading discretionarily. This is not the case. I studied systems for years, and still do, next to my disc. trading. I run 10 systems n'sync during the day as a balance to my disc. trading. I hardly pay any attention to my trading systems, though. I tune them, yes, but essentially, when a signal fires, I look at it, execute with, whatever, a few contracts, and then go back to my 'real' trading.

...Trading discretionarily can outperform this by far. The system is still based on singular kinds of setups, so it can never possibly exploit all forms of market opportunities, the way a discretionary trader easily can.

Trading mechanically is so inferior - You can't consider market action, bias, T&S, depth - The potential of discretionary trading is limitless. ...at this stage I start to believe that a continuous, comprehensive, fractal discretionary approach can achieve this, although I'm still faaaar away from Jack/bubba7's performance...

~Scientist

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Scientist;
Excellant post & it was in understandable english also.

I laughed when you lol at ''lagging moving averages'', however no offence intended. Agree they lag & NOT referring to ma cross.

Scientist good chart & equity curve, again in understandable english. Gracias means thank you in spanish.

My remarks are ''limited'' to highly liquid stocks and related markets.
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Natalie, I believe more traders could be Soros size;
but like mount everest, i wouldnt want to pay the price.
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Rich Dennis, with Solomon like discretion, planned and worked the fact that he proved there is an insurance premium in holding overnite.:cool:
 
I tend to think not.... its probably closer to 100%.

Here is what I believe, I don't expect anyone to accept this: You literally and physically create your individual reality. This is done (or shall I say limited) by the filters in your brain known as beliefs.

I no longer care about facts. Beliefs are infinitely more importatant to focus on. In order to uncover what beliefs you're operating under (and concsiously you'll rarely completely notice) start looking at the results you're currently producing in your life. This process will make it obvious what your beliefs are.

And then, instead of saying "that's just how I am", as the question: is this useful? That's a powerful question.

Critical is to NOT be bound by perceived reality. Again, facts don't matter, it only seems that way. Your total experience as a human being is an illusion and one that can be directed.
 
meilleur? je ne sais pas, mais certainement it est moins cher.*

both emotionally and financially.

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Il y a un autre thread ici avec cette question d'age.

Is it better to learn to trade very young?

Best

Natalie

*don't know if it is better, but it is certainly cheaper
 
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