Meet the COVID Delta variant

jem said:
I would think all thinking people would think its criminal to force boosters for life on healthy young kids... when almost zero healthy young kids are killed by the virus.

don't you?
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I haven't researched it enough to take a stance either way regarding forcing vaccinations. Even so, I would likely lean towards such a measure if hospitals weren't available to the general public because they were clogged up with mostly unvaxxed covid patients.
 
which is why I have ranted for a year about getting the data and understanding the different impacts on high risk vs low risk.

Even the dangerous of variants are likely to come up out of the sick... high risk.

I am not saying fuck em...
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But I am say don't fuck the low risk up...until we protect and isolate the high risk properly for their good and the good of society.


userque said:
I haven't researched it enough to take a stance either way regarding forcing vaccinations. Even so, I would likely lean towards such a measure if hospitals weren't available to the general public because they were clogged up with mostly unvaxxed covid patients.
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fucking absolute misrepresentations of science and lies...
while no on can really talk long term for such a new virus....
you are a scumbag... who just makes hit up...

this is science... douchebag.


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01557-z

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For SARS-CoV, a coronavirus very like SARS-CoV-2 that was originally identified in 2003 and causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), the continued presence of high concentrations of neutralizing antibodies in blood serum for more than 17 years was reported9 in 2020. Wang and colleagues’ results suggest that long-term immunity might also be expected for SARS-CoV-2. The authors report a follow-up investigation of serum antibodies and memory B cells specific for SARS-CoV-2 approximately one year after infection. The individuals studied had previously been analysed by Wang and colleagues’ group after six months10, but it is only now, after a year, that the transition from an acute immune reaction to the generation of immunological memory has become evident.





gwb-trading said:
Natural antibody immunity wanes and is not detectable at levels necessary to prevent reinfection in over 40% of the infected who recover six months after being afflicted. You cannot count on natural immunity to protect society from Covid.

This does not even touch on the horrible cost to society with deaths, hospitalization, and long Covid effects -- that natural infection brings about.
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gwb-trading said:
Some diseases when you catch them naturally leave you with life-long anti-body immunity when you recover.

Unfortunately coronaviruses do not leave you with life-long antibody immunity when you recover -- otherwise we would all be immune to the common cold. The antibody immunity in humans wane within months for natural Covid infections --- in many cases not lasting six months. This problem is also seen with the current generation of Covid vaccines -- they wane & a booster is required (which was expected). One of the hurdles in the development of the next generation of coronavirus vaccines is how to overcome this waning immunity and make the vaccination permanent so not boosters are required each year.
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jem said:
fucking absolute misrepresentations of science and lies...
while no on can really talk long term for such a new virus....
you are a scumbag... who just makes hit up...

this is science... douchebag.


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01557-z

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For SARS-CoV, a coronavirus very like SARS-CoV-2 that was originally identified in 2003 and causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), the continued presence of high concentrations of neutralizing antibodies in blood serum for more than 17 years was reported9 in 2020. Wang and colleagues’ results suggest that long-term immunity might also be expected for SARS-CoV-2. The authors report a follow-up investigation of serum antibodies and memory B cells specific for SARS-CoV-2 approximately one year after infection. The individuals studied had previously been analysed by Wang and colleagues’ group after six months10, but it is only now, after a year, that the transition from an acute immune reaction to the generation of immunological memory has become evident.
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Everything I posted is backed up with medical studies, hard-data and in-depth information --- all of this has been posted previously. I suggest you go read it.
 
you are a lying asshole... who just makes shit up...

you were totally fucking wrong about coronavirus..and Sars Cov..
17 years later they still found neutralizing antibodies...

"For SARS-CoV, a coronavirus very like SARS-CoV-2 that was originally identified in 2003 and causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), the continued presence of high concentrations of neutralizing antibodies in blood serum for more than 17 years was reported9 "



so you just lied your ass off.



https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01557-z

The good news is that the evidence thus far predicts that infection with SARS-CoV-2 induces long-term immunity in most individuals. This provides a welcome positive note as we wait for further data on memory responses to vaccination.



gwb-trading said:
Everything I posted is backed up with medical studies, hard-data and in-depth information --- all of this has been posted previously. I suggest you go read it.
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This is the new reality -- hospitals overflowing with unvaccinated people sick with Delta being tended to by overwhelmed staff who are unwilling to put up with it anymore.

Local TV news crew films what a day in hospital COVID ward is like. Catches two deaths in first 15 minutes, veteran nurse quitting from stress, exhaustion. "Although I'm used to people dying, I'm just not used to this many"

Nurse in North Georgia walks out of hospital amid overwhelming COVID-19 unit
https://www.cbs46.com/news/nurse-in...cle_b1c85d24-09f3-11ec-ac0b-63d93b3a6d2a.html
 
jem said:
Indoor living and waning antibodies in the high risk... what could go wrong?

Will we realize the full downside of vaccinating unhealthy people with a temporary vaccine in the middle of a pandemic?

I hope the winter is really mild.
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Meanwhile younger, unvaccinated and healthy people are dying at 4x the rate as the vaccinated older and sicker. You better hope this delta wanes if you’re unvaccinated in any condition.
 
That is complete vax nazi bullshit if you look at the recent data from Israel. The best data set we have.

The old and the unhealthy, vaxxed or not are unfortunately the ones dying. ..statistically speaking.

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I just read that all 22 recent deaths in a San diego hospital were over 60 with at least one co morbidity.

Yes, most were probably unvaxxed.. but If I were high risk I would get the vaccine.

UsualName said:
Meanwhile younger, unvaccinated and healthy people are dying at 4x the rate as the vaccinated older and sicker. You better hope this delta wanes if you’re unvaccinated in any condition.
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