The facts haven't changed at all, only the politics.
Meet the COVID Delta variant
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That is not true. Fauci was responding to circumstances as they were evolving. You assume that because he and his colleagues didn't have all the information all at once and at the beginning that they must all either know nothing or be politically motivated. Your assessment says more about you than it does about Fauci et al. Look inward (and try not to gasp).
The only thing that was "evolving" with Faux-ci was the China virus that he helped to fund.
I'm not convinced that you are not a COVID mutation.
I'm well-vaccinated at least by American standards and I'm refusing the COVID vaccine for the time being. I don't trust mRNA vectors, I don't trust big pharma, and I certainly don't trust anyone saying "trust the science". Having done actual science (albeit in computers, not biology) "trust the science" sounds like a new age pop-sci cult mantra only a few years off of drinking some delicious, delicious flavor-aid.
In reality this should concern you. Science can only be actualized in an apolitical environment. This is the primary reason tenure exists and why publishing papers is so difficult.
Just as a point, COVID is a member of the common cold family, not the flu family. They are characterized by their penchant for respiratory illness (where in flu respiratory problems are present but typically not the main damage).
Masks are provably useless. They stop spit droplets but do not stop the virus. The virus is significantly smaller than the cross section of the fibers so they pass right through. If we were concerned with safety with masks we'd all have our US Government issued N95s. If you want to learn what is useful and what isn't look at what the hospitals outfit their nurses with. It's not cloth masks.
Wiping down surfaces is useful for preventing measles and malaria but not COVID. There is no evidence to date that COVID spreads from surface contact.
Nice fear porn. Very scientific and judicious use of the word "hosed" in a virus that even in the delta variant has a 98% survival rate for all but the most vulnerable.
I would gladly take a deactivated virus COVID vaccine. But vaccines in general are not always safe. In fact, we have good data they are often not safe at least at their introduction:
SV40 in polio vaccine linked to cancer: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16288015/
Congenital rubella syndrome caused by vaccination during pregnancy: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/surv-manual/chpt15-crs.html
thimerosal (ethylmercury) in flu vaccines: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27816865/
These are just a few examples. The MMR vaccine has quite a few associated side effects.
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Not a vaccine but also a "rushed to market" drug: thalidomide
https://sqonline.ucsd.edu/2019/07/the-thalidomide-tragedy-and-its-lasting-effects/
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COVID related:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...izer-covid-vaccine-teens-symptoms-myocarditis
myocarditis in young males - originally the politburo was busy discrediting this until the evidence was insurmountable.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...t-afghanistan-canada-mexico-delta/7765857002/
COVID vaccine clots causing more deaths than COVID itself in Australia.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33320052/
Vaccines may not prevent infection and may not prevent transmission.
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In fact it's so common to be injured by vaccines, especially for novel viruses, the government has stepped in to protect big pharma: https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html. You essentially sign an arbitration agreement with the government.
All this to say there is a ton of reason to be suspect of the "trust the science" crowd. I'm not an antivaxxer. But I am capable of weighing the risks. Median age in the US is 38.4. If we are to trust the CDC's numbers this implies that over 50% (since the brackets are different in CDC data) have a probability of less than 0.02% of mortality from COVID infection. Given that I am relatively healthy (at least not effected by anything that COVID seems to cause more mortality in) I have no realistic concern for the virus, nor do I have a need to get vaccinated right away. If I was in the risk group (over 50 years old) I would probably have weighed the risks differently. I will be happy to take a well tested, approved, deactivated virus COVID vaccine when it becomes available. Until then, I have no interest in being a part of the largest vaccine danger study in the history of humanity.
Maybe you could get a second opinion from some of the great Canadian scientists working with the virus.
Oh wait, they would be in India. Nevermind.
The three you named are not a sample but the main examples given to undermine vaccine safety in general. The first was a contamination issue that was not reported properly, not the vaccine. Pregnancy is a condition that can complicate vaccines, that is true. There are vaccines which you cannot take while pregnant. The heavy metals and preservatives are, or can be, an issue. The good news is the mRNA vaccines have none of that just salt, fat, mRNA deep frozen. Also the mRNAs are not vector vaccines.
I have no problem with you not taking a vaccine. I don’t even care what your reasons are. It’s your choice.
I am not attributing this to you per se, but some of what you wrote can get caught up in it. My issue is that I see a lot of people who don’t want to get the vaccine spreading very dubious and false information about the vaccine as if they feel they have to convince other people to sooth their own doubts.
The truth is the vaccines are fine, you’re going live just fine if you get one and you’ll also probably be ok if you don’t. Every year people pass on the flu vaccine and no one goes around spreading nonsense about how it is going make you magnetic or whatever.
If you refuse to take a vaccine then why should a health insurance company or government pay for your medical expenses when you catch the disease?
There should be some clear consequences for rejecting being vaccinated -- the first is that you are responsible for your own medical expenses if you catch the disease. Your choice caused the issue --- society should not be responsible for paying for your poor decision.