What mostly weighs on their minds is whether they can turn this exciting, lucrative, adrenaline-filled job into a lifelong career. Itâs not just the trading odds that are against them. The psychological odds are, too.
âThe reason why there arenât older guys in the office is because of the stress,â Dylan says. âI can see even now that you can get burned out after doing it for five, 10 years. There are nights you canât sleep because youâre so exposed, or you lie there thinking about the big jobs number that is coming out tomorrow and you know youâre either going to earn $50,000 or lose $50,000, but you donât know which.â
Under stress, a trader is apt to become too cautious or too comfortable with one trading strategy â and before long heâs caught in one of those self-reinforcing downward spirals of declining income, declining confidence and declining risk tolerance.
Perhaps with that in mind, a couple of the more successful West Palm alumni cashed in their chips, moved back to where they came from and made the transition from day trading to longer-term investors.
Beall, at 36 the old man in the office and a father of three, hopes to prove that unnecessary.
âMy goal has always been to take a short-term trading business and turn it, as close as it can be, into a salary business,â he says. âThere will always be crazy swings, you hope more positive ones than negative, but the aim is to create consistent income.â
Itâs a vision shared by the 25-year-old from Washington. âBarring some disaster, I canât imagine leaving this firm,â Dylan declares with the confidence of a twenty-something. âIâm sure this is the perfect career for me.â
).Quote from cornix:
Guess it depends. I know at least one ET member who is past 70 and still actively day trades (several instruments using 5-min chart, something I hardly can do simultaneously in my 35).
Of course he doesn't depend on day trading financially anymore, but still does it every day both as a sole career and a hobby.
Quote from marketsurfer:
Interesting that the real professionals in the business, such as in the article, never see such things. They only seem to exist on the Internet. surf
Quote from cornix:
You mean institutions? Yes likely they don't see such cases. But financial eco-system is more than just institutions and retail traders are not less real, just different niche.
Quote from marketsurfer:
Huh? A prop firm is not an institution. A day trader not going prop ( unless he is wealthy or already has access to millions and is dumb enough to risk it ) is similar to someone staying on the penny slots in the casino rather than progressing to black jack. Many successful strategies takes tons of money and these strategies are simply unavailable to retail.
Quote from cornix:
Right. But many strategies are also available to retail. Why would a retail trader who is already successful in say, day trading ES want to go prop?
I don't want to go prop either. Currently do OPM under CTA exemption to reduce my own capital risk exposure and think about going CTA, yes.
But why go prop? Maybe I miss something.

Quote from marketsurfer:
Ok, I forget that posters on elite are the best in the world. You do it all by looking at charts and are the the exemption to the rules. I can't argue with this.
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Quote from Ol' Yella:
but the trading income has no guarantee, and could run out at any time