meditation as a way to calm trading angsts

[wally_]

on the meditative states that I know of is by David Goleman, Ph.D. in psychology. The book's title is 'The Meditative Mind'.

The book mentions levitation briefly in just one sentence and in quotation marks as "levitation".

 

[Yannis]

Quote from wally_:



Well, with all due respect, ...

As far as general relativity is concerned, it has been proved very well by many experiments. There are no experiments that would falsify it. There is more to it than some elegant mathematics. It's a well tested theory and it has been tested for over 80 years by now. It can explain things that Newton's gravity theory cannot. It can be replaced by a better theory in future but the new theory will have to be able to explain all general relativity can and more.

Wally,

The focus of my first post was to make the point that you cannot "prove" the results of meditation in the same way that you can prove that an electron beam can split an atom. Meditation and its results are subjective phenomena and need special care.

On the other hand, I totally agree that levitation and other such external phenomena need concrete proof in the lab.

What interests me is the budding field of neurophysiology research that shows that experienced meditators who are involved in an internal aspect of manifestation (such as the precursors to siddhis discussed in some ancient texts, like Patanjali's) can be shown to generate far more coherent brain activity than normal. Is this a place that one can expect major (meditation-related) findings in the future? Possibly, but of course we have to wait.

Now, on the subject of general relativity, what I know is that the cornerstone of the theory is the graviton, which has not yet been oberved in the lab or in space. What we have seen recently is increased (but still tentative) proof that heavy objects (like galaxies) do cause light to bend - which is consistent with general relativity. However, others are trying to explain this through variations of the special theory of relativity that allow for the speed of light to have been greater (than the one we can measure today) during the first short periods of time after the Big Bang.

But, we are now going too far afield from trading and Baron may send us to the penalty box

 

[-ooO-(GoldTrade]

Is meditation part of your trading day?

Sometimes,

There are ten sessions included with Jake Bernstein's Trading Mind meditation software for Futures Traders:

1. Trading to Win! Mindset
2. Strength to Take Your Losses
3. Maintain Discipline
4. Handling Fears and Emotions
5. Maintain Focus
6. Visualize Success
7. Coping With Losses
8. Reversing Bad Habits
9. Controlling Over-Confidence
10. Living in the Success Zone

 

[Whamo]

Quote from -ooO-(GoldTrade:



Sometimes,

There are ten sessions included with Jake Bernstein's Trading Mind meditation software for Futures Traders:

1. Trading to Win! Mindset
2. Strength to Take Your Losses
3. Maintain Discipline
4. Handling Fears and Emotions
5. Maintain Focus
6. Visualize Success
7. Coping With Losses
8. Reversing Bad Habits
9. Controlling Over-Confidence
10. Living in the Success Zone

ooO-(GoldTrade),

Have you actually gone through this software? If so, can you comment on it? Did it help your trading?

 

[bobcathy1]

Wow guys,
You sure know how to make a simple subject SO complicated!
I guess you are all very UP TIGHT.......
Got to be cool, just chill out man.

 

[-ooO-(GoldTrade]

Whamo >Have you actually gone through this software?

The CD is copied to my harddrive; I use it on my laptop with headphones. I use it either just when waking up, and/or before going to sleep. It is designed to leave you awake & alert. So when going into sleep finish it off before the reentry technique.

Whamo > If so, can you comment on it?

Maybe I can explain why I can’t talk about it. Suggestive meditation does have a positive impact on the left hemisphere of the brain. And to that extent I can hearten it’s benefits.

The real benefit is to the unformed, unmade non-verbal right hemisphere of the brain that formal education tends to ignore.

Whamo >Did it help your trading?

I would say it helps me be more serene, relaxed. The stress disperses earlier.

Whamo > comment on it ..

The brain is always working, wondering if it has done everything that needs to be completed. Tradingmind systematically programs you to cover all the details. To that end, at the end of the day, stress is reduced.

Subject: Re: Jake Bernstein's TradingMind for futures software
Date: 2003-04-16 09:14:49 PST
Newsgroups: misc.invest.futures

Many changes will be brought about in the traders favor because of Jack's initial attempt at suggestive meditation training.

Jake Bernstein's "TradingMind," trains traders in the mental aspects of trading. People trade their beliefs about the market. It is your thinking that makes you a winners or a loser.

Not only can I see subtle changes in my trading after using this software but I can also see how when as increasing percentages of traders improves their winning model. The Futures Industry will change to adapt to this structure of awareness.

Like the "Science of Creative intelligence," taught at Ivy League Universities, "Think and Grow rich," "Silva Mind Control," or the popular "Transandental meditation." All bypass the noise of the surface mind and go direct to the subtler levels that influence trader's behavior.

Jake works on the part of your mind that creates thought. You are developing winning patterns that support a winning source of thought from the first session.

Only a small fraction of traders will be necessary to change the consciousness of the industry. The regular pattern of training traders, eight minutes every other day is all it will take to see meaningful change.

Lets say that you have a herd of Cattle milling about. All you need is a few going in the same direction to turn the herd into a stampede.

For example if you have 100 traders all doing things their own individual way. And then ten train themselves to be winners in a similar way. That one structure of awareness used by the ten will make it self felt thru out the herd.

Competitive brokers will change their policies to make it easier for clients to follow this winning model.

For example lets say traders realize that they can increase profits and reduce commissions by having someone else check their orders before placing them. Small traders who cannot afford to have a staff will gravitate toward brokers that provide that service.

 

[Lohnsklave]

Quote from wally_:



Sure, everyone can jump high enough and claim that he levitated.

That's how 'proof' photos are made.

In self-hypnosis you can come to a state where you don't feel your body anymore or it feels very light. But gravity will make sure that you don't fly away.
So I think you don't have to take "levitation" literally.

 

[candletrader]

If I have a couple of losing trades, I briefly close my eyes, take a few deep breaths and start to trade again... I dunno if this is classed as meditation but it sure does the trick...

 

[Thunderdog]

I refer to the respondent who cited a relaxation tool created by Mr. Jake Bernstein. Did you know that if you went into Amazon.com and typed "Jake Bernstein" that you would get 34 results? 34 results! Does not that alone give you any pause? Perhaps his program does indeed work. The law of large numbers is certainly on his side.

Regards,

Thunderdog

 

[Magickian]

Welcome to the desert of the Real - Morpheus

Levels of Reality
Level 0 - Nothingness, Indivisability, The Feild of Potentiality
Level 1 - Consciousness, Energy, Matter.
Level 2 - Hyperreality ( the realm of simulacra and simulations, the mass produced, copies without orginals, signs that refer not to reality but to each other, hyperreality is a self-simulated reality - like in the movie Matrix but without the AI machines ).

Meditation helps you unplug temporarily from hyperreality and connect to reality at level 0. It is not a get happy quick scheme as it is often marketed.