Measuring Trend

[HATEtheRisk]

Quote from kut2k2:

Already answered in this thread.

Again, if people don't bother to read what's already been posted in this thread, why on earth would I bother to repeat myself?

Hey, of course i know what a trend is.
and what is basic definition. Upside trend = higher high + higher low.
Ok, and now ........ ???

Who cares about if there is a trend or not, if it not continue in the future, huh ....... ???

How many so called trendtraders are there who buy in an uptrend right before a new double top and get fucked all the way down....

I dont see any reason why a trend trade should be more profitable than someting else. The Best Thing is still to buy at the lowest point and sell on the highest, depending on your timeframe style.

 

[kut2k2]

Quote from HATEtheRisk:

Hey, of course i know what a trend is.
and what is basic definition. Upside trend = higher high + higher low.
Ok, and now ........ ???

Not my definition but whatever.

Quote from HATEtheRisk:

Who cares about if there is a trend or not, if it not continue in the future, huh ....... ???

How many so called trendtraders are there who buy in an uptrend right before a new double top and get fucked all the way down....

I dont see any reason why a trend trade should be more profitable than someting else. The Best Thing is still to buy at the lowest point and sell on the highest, depending on your timeframe style.

What makes you think picking tops and bottoms is easier, much less more feasible, than trend trading?

 

[kut2k2]

Quote from HATEtheRisk:

Who cares about if there is a trend or not, if it not continue in the future, huh ....... ???

Lacking a crystal ball myself, I don't just assume a trend will suddenly not continue ... or otherwise. It's an odds game, like all of trading.

Quote from HATEtheRisk:

How many so called trendtraders are there who buy in an uptrend right before a new double top and get fucked all the way down....

Not many. It's a piss-poor excuse for a trend trader who stays in a trend that reverses against him, or who doesn't follow the basic wisdom of Cut Your Losses Short. That guy deserves whatever happens to him.

Quote from HATEtheRisk:

I dont see any reason why a trend trade should be more profitable than someting else. The Best Thing is still to buy at the lowest point and sell on the highest, depending on your timeframe style.

Successfully picking tops and bottoms is pretty much the Holy Grail. If you can do it, great for you. If you can't do it, maybe following a more practical course is the smarter move.

 

[N54_Fan]

Quote from kut2k2:

I already did that is this thread. Perhaps if you bothered to read the whole thread before posting, you'd be better prepared to post.

Seriously you just sound like a pompous ass when you say stuff like this. I have read the entire thread and all you talk about is making "measurements" as if that is the end all of describing a trend and its worthiness in trading it. Go take your pocket calc. and make your fancy calculations of Price * Pi * the accellerated Rotation of the Earth or whatever you think is important but your need for a NUMBER clouds your judgement in being able to see the forest through the trees. It really is quite simple. If price is increasing there is a trend up no matter how short. Is a short term trend tradeable,...yes but more difficult the longer the easier it is to trade in my opinion. Saying a trend is DEAD beacuse you draw a trendline and act as if the trend is over once you draw it is also narrow minded. Thought like that keeps you out of massive trends in the market like the one from 3-2009 to 4-2011 You still have not described how exactly you ID a trend (defined in my mind as price increasing/decreasing within certain amount of time progression ,..since someone asked).. The faster it increases/decreases the higher the slope and stronger the trend.

Does you calculation allow you to trade the trend or is your little pocket calc. crunching the numbers while the trade passes you by? It just seems as if your entire post is written so that you can feel self importance and think you are smarter than others because you know how to calculate some ratio. Its quite ridiculous really.... My 7 yr old son can look at a chart from across the room and ID price moving from bottom left to the top right. Simple. You make it waaay too difficult to trade.

You also have not answered ,...did you ID the Trend down in the markets?...I doubt you did in time to trade it.... I know I did with my MACD and MA Crossovers. Did your Kaufmann ratio help you make money? Please post your entry and exit and stop loss placement of ANY SINGLE trade following the recent downtrend in markets this week. Or would you say it is too short a time frame to ID a trend? Iwould be happy to post mine with easy to understand reasoning of downtrend in markets and how I caught the down move in Late July and subsequent up and down channel consolidation mid Aug to last week and this weeks down move. Please do the same with your "calculations" and show real world use of your numbers. That would help us all see the use of your ratio and educate a bit about TA.

Dont just wimp out and make some pompous post like "your too stupid to understand my genius" type post because in the end it just shows you are too insecure in your "numbers" to provide these details.

Anxiously awaiting....

 

[kut2k2]

Quote from N54_Fan:

Seriously you just sound like a pompous ass when you say stuff like this. I have read the entire thread and all you talk about is making "measurements" as if that is the end all of describing a trend and its worthiness in trading it. Go take your pocket calc. and make your fancy calculations of Price * Pi * the accellerated Rotation of the Earth or whatever you think is important but your need for a NUMBER clouds your judgement in being able to see the forest through the trees. It really is quite simple. If price is increasing there is a trend up no matter how short. Is a short term trend tradeable,...yes but more difficult the longer the easier it is to trade in my opinion. Saying a trend is DEAD beacuse you draw a trendline and act as if the trend is over once you draw it is also narrow minded. Thought like that keeps you out of massive trends in the market like the one from 3-2009 to 4-2011 You still have not described how exactly you ID a trend (defined in my mind as price increasing/decreasing within certain amount of time progression ,..since someone asked).. The faster it increases/decreases the higher the slope and stronger the trend.

Does you calculation allow you to trade the trend or is your little pocket calc. crunching the numbers while the trade passes you by? It just seems as if your entire post is written so that you can feel self importance and think you are smarter than others because you know how to calculate some ratio. Its quite ridiculous really.... My 7 yr old son can look at a chart from across the room and ID price moving from bottom left to the top right. Simple. You make it waaay too difficult to trade.

You also have not answered ,...did you ID the Trend down in the markets?...I doubt you did in time to trade it.... I know I did with my MACD and MA Crossovers. Did your Kaufmann ratio help you make money? Please post your entry and exit and stop loss placement of ANY SINGLE trade following the recent downtrend in markets this week. Or would you say it is too short a time frame to ID a trend? Iwould be happy to post mine with easy to understand reasoning of downtrend in markets and how I caught the down move in Late July and subsequent up and down channel consolidation mid Aug to last week and this weeks down move. Please do the same with your "calculations" and show real world use of your numbers. That would help us all see the use of your ratio and educate a bit about TA.

Dont just wimp out and make some pompous post like "your too stupid to understand my genius" type post because in the end it just shows you are too insecure in your "numbers" to provide these details.

Anxiously awaiting....

Anxiously awaiting what? For me to explain to you why 2 + 2 = 4? Sorry, I don't speak retard, but I will try my best to s-l-ow-l-y explain to you what's going on:

The basic wisdom is Buy Low, Sell High. This is much easier said than done. But what's obvious is that a trend must exist, otherwise price never goes from Low to High (or vice versa). That is why Trade With The Trend is a basic tenet of trading for many traders (perhaps even most traders). Now in order to trade with the trend, you must first find the trend. So go back and reread the OP and maybe, just maybe, it will dawn on you the value of having the best indicators that will find the trend both EARLY and CORRECTLY. If you think the best tools for that are MACD, RSI and other crap from the 70's then I can only pity you.

BTW some of us plan to trade more than one security at a time, as in dozens if not hundreds more. Good luck eyeballing all those charts day after day for the rest of your life. There's a reason why computers and other labor-saving devices are SOOO very popular.

 

[kut2k2]

FWIW here's the best momentum indicator I've ever seen. Notice how even it can't catch the very bottom, but it does get you in the trend in time for a profit.

 

[N54_Fan]

Quote from kut2k2:

Anxiously awaiting what? For me to explain to you why 2 + 2 = 4? Sorry, I don't speak retard, but I will try my best to s-l-ow-l-y explain to you what's going on:

The basic wisdom is Buy Low, Sell High. This is much easier said than done. But what's obvious is that a trend must exist, otherwise price never goes from Low to High (or vice versa). That is why Trade With The Trend is a basic tenet of trading for many traders (perhaps even most traders). Now in order to trade with the trend, you must first find the trend. So go back and reread the OP and maybe, just maybe, it will dawn on you the value of having the best indicators that will find the trend both EARLY and CORRECTLY. If you think the best tools for that are MACD, RSI and other crap from the 70's then I can only pity you.

BTW some of us plan to trade more than one security at a time, as in dozens if not hundreds more. Good luck eyeballing all those charts day after day for the rest of your life. There's a reason why computers and other labor-saving devices are SOOO very popular.

JUST as I expected,...a BS pompous ass response. You are clearly only interested in making yourself feel good about yourself.

Anxiously awaiting referred to waiting for some realtime explaination of your special numbers helping you profit. But sadly, even with all your computations you FAIL. I would expect that someone who relies on computers as much as you do would clearly be able to pull up trade data from a recent trade. You are just too insecure to explain it and so choose to hide behind pompous remarks than to show how usefull they are in trading.

Just because an indicator is around since the 70's speaks to it standing up to years of use.

BTW if you are trading 100's of instruments at once in an account then you clearly have no concept of trading and postion sizing to realize how best to maximize your trading for profit. That would mean you trade only 1% or less of your capital in a trade and depending on your stop loss would mean miniscule risk in a trade and likely just as miniscule profits. Anyone with decent money management and position sizing skills could take random entry and make it as profitable as your "SPECIAL K" system.

So,...still waiting on trade data of JUST ONE trade where your numbers helped you make a profit. But that would mean you actually have to have a profit wih your system to post this data. I am certain you have no system that is better than random chance.

Lastly, you do NOT need to ID a trend at the very beginning to make money off of it if you know how to trade. It is best to do so but NOT needed. You only need to catch a good chunk of the trend to make a substantial profit. You also do NOT need to catch the "best" trend to make money and outperform the market as I described above. One can outperform the market trading only a single market index ETF for 1 year straight. All that is needed is catching the meat of each trend that occurs over the year and there are many trends Up & DOWN that occur in any instrument over the course of a year.

Until you post some data you really should ease up on the "I'm better than you are..." attitude. Till then its just the same useless drivle that is spewed from you everytime you post.

Good luck...

 

[N54_Fan]

Quote from kut2k2:

FWIW here's the best momentum indicator I've ever seen. Notice how even it can't catch the very bottom, but it does get you in the trend in time for a profit.

LOL,...best momentum indicator EVER!! Yes it is clear a red dot is higher than the black dots then at some point the black ones are higher than the red....Crystal clear and anyone can profit with that!!
NO mention of what the indicator is showing, or BUY signa,l or SELL signal, or stop placement, or even WHAT THE HELL the indicator even IS. LOL!!!

Yep thats the BEST one ever:eek:

 

[N54_Fan]

Quote from kut2k2:

FWIW here's the best momentum indicator I've ever seen. Notice how even it can't catch the very bottom, but it does get you in the trend in time for a profit.

Are you trying to show a long trade here on 3-21-11? I assume your magical supercomputer methods would show something. Maybe you should show how this is superior to standard 1970's methods... tell us about this trade rather than posting a useless unlabled graph except for pips (left margin) and time and some unkown numbers on the right margin.

 

[kut2k2]

Quote from N54_Fan:

LOL,...best momentum indicator EVER!! Yes it is clear a red dot is higher than the black dots then at some point the black ones are higher than the red....Crystal clear and anyone can profit with that!!
NO mention of what the indicator is showing, or BUY signa,l or SELL signal, or stop placement, or even WHAT THE HELL the indicator even IS. LOL!!!

Yep thats the BEST one ever:eek:

Seldom have I seen a poster as clueless as you on any website. It should be clear even to a child that the black dots correspond to the left axis (pips) and the red dots correspond to the right axis aka momentum as already stated. When the red dots are above zero, that is a long signal; when they are below zero, that is a sell or short signal.

Sorry, I can't dumb it down any more than that.