McCain to GOP: Leave Abortion Alone

Quote from jem:

how would you explain the loss of millions of votes... if ABO was not a component. In fact I know of a few people who were pretending they never voted for Obama - but I remember them saying to the contrary in 2008.


ABO was plenty real.
Mitt should have presented a full fledged plan.
11 percent flat tax for individuals and 15 percent for corps plus a capped budget and no more borrowing would have gotten the job done. Or anything like that.. the party went crazy when just one candidate had the 999 plan even though 999 was not so hot.

WE just wanted a real plan.


And that ABO thing was about as real as that "silent majority" you guys try to trot out every now and again.
 
Quote from trefoil:

You didn't lose the Missouri or Indiana Senate races because the guys were too establishment, nor did you lose Nevada and Delaware in 2010 for that reason.
All of those were lost because the candidates you put up were right wing lunatics. All of them you were favored to win before the lunatics were nominated. That's especially true for Delaware in 2010 and Indiana this year.
Trying to cover up the reason will get you nowhere. I have voted in the past for Republicans for both the Senate and for the Governor here in NJ, especially governor as the Dems in this state have put up candidate after candidate who is hopeless.
My mom regularly voted Republican about a third of the time. Now, in her old age? She swears she never will again, and that's because of how far right you guys have gone.
Get a clue.

My hope is that the GOP gets back to center right. Without it, we will have one party rule after 2014, and that is a system failure.
 
Quote from RCG Trader:

And that ABO thing was about as real as that "silent majority" you guys try to trot out every now and again.

Or about a real as your trading.
 
Quote from trefoil:

You didn't lose the Missouri or Indiana Senate races because the guys were too establishment, nor did you lose Nevada and Delaware in 2010 for that reason.
All of those were lost because the candidates you put up were right wing lunatics. All of them you were favored to win before the lunatics were nominated. That's especially true for Delaware in 2010 and Indiana this year.
Trying to cover up the reason will get you nowhere. I have voted in the past for Republicans for both the Senate and for the Governor here in NJ, especially governor as the Dems in this state have put up candidate after candidate who is hopeless.
My mom regularly voted Republican about a third of the time. Now, in her old age? She swears she never will again, and that's because of how far right you guys have gone.
Get a clue.

No doubt some of the people should have kept their mouths shut. But you broad brush the whole movement by the actions of a few. I'm not the one covering reasons. The carl roves of the party are. If you think kicking the conservatives out of the party is the way to get ahead, then it is you that needs to get a clue.

I've been voting since 92, and I'll be hard pressed to vote republican again, but I will NEVER vote progressive...not ever.

Run a tally and see how many liberal republicans won in all the races at all levels just to validate your point. See which lost their seats, too.
 
Quote from RCG Trader:

Start your journal.:)

Already did, in the form of the Combine you agreed to do with me but chickened out on. Where's yours?
 
Quote from wjk:

No doubt some of the people should have kept their mouths shut. But you broad brush the whole movement by the actions of a few. I'm not the one covering reasons. The carl roves of the party are. If you think kicking the conservatives out of the party is the way to get ahead, then it is you that needs to get a clue.

I've been voting since 92, and I'll be hard pressed to vote republican again, but I will NEVER vote progressive...not ever.

Run a tally and see how many liberal republicans won in all the races at all levels just to validate your point. See which lost their seats, too.

Liberal Republicans? There aren't any. That would imply some Republican Senator somewhere voted for Obamacare. None did.
There were a few moderates. There still are some from New England, maybe only one or two of those left? Don't know. But a lot of those moderates were brought down in the primaries by Tea Partiers who then went on to lose in the general election.
You're delusional about the Tea Party. They are the proper successors to the now forgotten Club for Growth, the guys who made Arlen Specter, who once vigorously defended Clarence Thomas, turn into a Democrat. Just like the old Club for Growth, they specialize in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory for the Republican party. What's amazing is that the response to this is what you wrote. The Republicans are going to shrink into a mere shadow of what they were if they keep following your kind of logic.
 
Quote from trefoil:

Liberal Republicans? There aren't any. That would imply some Republican Senator somewhere voted for Obamacare. None did.
There were a few moderates. There still are some from New England, maybe only one or two of those left? Don't know. But a lot of those moderates were brought down in the primaries by Tea Partiers who then went on to lose in the general election.
You're delusional about the Tea Party. They are the proper successors to the now forgotten Club for Growth, the guys who made Arlen Specter, who once vigorously defended Clarence Thomas, turn into a Democrat. Just like the old Club for Growth, they specialize in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory for the Republican party. What's amazing is that the response to this is what you wrote. The Republicans are going to shrink into a mere shadow of what they were if they keep following your kind of logic.

I don't see them winning elections by putting up more liberal candidates, do you? You don't see any liberal republicans? That's how far left you and your party have gone. Many people like me are content to live and let live regarding religion, sexual preference, drug use, etc...and yet we are painted as racist and extremists by you and your kind.

Do hard core consevatives hurt the cause? Sure they do. Should religion be pushed? No. Does the media demonize those of us who don't want to be progressives? Absolutely. Now you tell me...who the fuck should I vote for?

Most of the conservatives and libertarians I know don't want to push religion down your throat, so why are they so demonized?

Tell me.
 
Quote from wjk:

I don't see them winning elections by putting up more liberal candidates, do you? You don't see any liberal republicans? That's how far left you and your party have gone. Many people like me are content to live and let live regarding religion, sexual preference, drug use, etc...and yet we are painted as racist and extremists by you and your kind.

Do hard core consevatives hurt the cause? Sure they do. Should religion be pushed? No. Does the media demonize those of us who don't want to be progressives? Absolutely. Now you tell me...who the fuck should I vote for?

Most of the conservatives and libertarians I know don't want to push religion down your throat, so why are they so demonized?

Tell me.

Demonized? Do you not listen to what your candidates are saying?

Akins: legitimate rape. Defeated.
Mourdock: rape and subsequent conception is God's will. Defeated.
O'Donnell: I am not a witch! Defeated.
Lowden: Second Amendment solutions. Defeated.

Those first two were most definitely trying to shove their twisted version of religion down our collective throats, and I have no doubt the latter two would have as well. The Republicans in the House have passed bill after bill after bill re abortion and their very much religious view of it. You are, again, delusional.
 
Quote from trefoil:

Demonized? Do you not listen to what your candidates are saying?

Akins: legitimate rape. Defeated.
Mourdock: rape and subsequent conception is God's will. Defeated.
O'Donnell: I am not a witch! Defeated.
Lowden: Second Amendment solutions. Defeated.

Those first two were most definitely trying to shove their twisted version of religion down our collective throats, and I have no doubt the latter two would have as well. The Republicans in the House have passed bill after bill after bill re abortion and their very much religious view of it. You are, again, delusional.

No, I'm not delusional. I agreed with you since those are exactly the candidates that I had in mind when I said some of them should just keep their opinions to themselves. Now if you ask me if I'm frustrated you would be spot on. It is people like those you mentioned that really do hurt the cause. A few like them get an entire group demonized.

Why am I frustrated? Once a wack job pops up, he/she is the most important mainstream (left wing) media fact for weeks. That is a favorite tactic of the left and their lapdog media, and you damn well know it. A few racist...the whole group is racist...a few religious nuts...the whole group consists of religious nuts. Your party has demonized all conservatives because of a few. It's their MO. You then attempt to marginalize those who point it out. Standard OP. Conversation over.
 
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