McCain to GOP: Leave Abortion Alone

Quote from jem:

The funny thing is that in my opinion McCain is the problem with the GOP. McCain and everyone of the sellout idiots who caves in on important principles...

...Republican establisment candidates... stand for nothing but Bush era failures. Essentially they stand for nothing...

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I tend to agree. The left keeps saying Romney was too radical. Shit, he's the most liberal candidate the right has ever put up and yet he got no votes from the left, and not very many from the conservative right it would seem. The right also fucked up regarding their treatment of the Ron Paul crowd. They keep succumbing to the left and the media with their constant cries of racism and extremism. As long as the left keeps using this strategy effectively, the right will continue to diminish.

I seriously doubt any of the lefties here would vote for a moderate or liberal republican, no matter how moderate they were. They might...when the republican moves far enough left to become like the dems. Charlie Crist is a good example. So why does the right need their advice? They either stand for something or they don't. I think they like getting played, and man are they getting played.

If it wasn't for the tea party conservatives, the right would not have gotten back into power in 2010. They were done. How did they respond? They offered almost no support to tea party candidates in this election. Why was that? Fear of media reprisals? That's my guess. Fear of left wing critics? Just read the left wing shit in here. The establishment right fears it. They buy it. They put up moderates, and then lose elections. And the left cries that the right lost because of conservatives, and the establishment right continues to buy it. They look for all the reasons they possibly can for why they lost, even believing the left, but evade the single biggest reason. Lucy with the football. Anybody should be able to figure out why the vote wasn't there.

When the right embraces real conservatism, or better yet, libertarianism (and not this bullshit hostile definition of conservatism we constantly hear), they may have a shot at power again. I know I'm not going to hold my breath. If they want to continue to move left, we might as well just go ahead and have one party rule because the establishment right doesn't stand for shit.

After this election, I see no reason not to support and vote for a reasonable libertarian candidate, should one rise up. I've held my nose for the last time.
 
Quote from AK Forty Seven:

You all miss out on this fact... Obama got fewer votes than in 2008.
So did The GOP nominee
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2008 Obama Republican
Popular vote 69,498,516 59,948,323

2012
Popular vote 64,817,072 60,449,35

Do you just make facts up to fit your twisted beliefs?
 
if I compare the final tally on 2012 huffington to the 2008 tally on wikipedia... it looks like obama got a almost 6.5 million less and Romney got a few hundred thousand less.

If that is is true. We were all right about Obama getting rejected by some of his party ... but I was wrong about Republican enthusiasm for Romney.

Considering he must have gotten some ABO crossover independent vote... he really under performed with the base.

Hence in my opinion this was a rejection of the Republican establishment and the rejection of the lefts financial policies.
 
Quote from jem:

if I compare the final tally on 2012 huffington to the 2008 tally on wikipedia... it looks like obama got a almost 6.5 million less and Romney got a few hundred thousand less.

If that is is true. We were all right about Obama getting fare few votes. but were amazingly wrong about Republican enthusiasm for Romney.

Consider he must have gotten some ABO vote... he really under performed.
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That ABO thing was some manufactured joke to be played on low information right wing voters. It worked out just like everything they try works out.

The wingers never trusted Mittens, and he should have run the bus over them waaaaaay before the first debate, by then, it was to late.
 
Quote from wjk:

I tend to agree. The left keeps saying Romney was too radical. Shit, he's the most liberal candidate the right has ever put up and yet he got no votes from the left, and not very many from the conservative right it would seem. The right also fucked up regarding their treatment of the Ron Paul crowd. They keep succumbing to the left and the media with their constant cries of racism and extremism. As long as the left keeps using this strategy effectively, the right will continue to diminish.

I seriously doubt any of the lefties here would vote for a moderate or liberal republican, no matter how moderate they were. They might...when the republican moves far enough left to become like the dems. Charlie Crist is a good example. So why does the right need their advice? They either stand for something or they don't. I think they like getting played, and man are they getting played.

If it wasn't for the tea party conservatives, the right would not have gotten back into power in 2010. They were done. How did they respond? They offered almost no support to tea party candidates in this election. Why was that? Fear of media reprisals? That's my guess. Fear of left wing critics? Just read the left wing shit in here. The establishment right fears it. They buy it. They put up moderates, and then lose elections. And the left cries that the right lost because of conservatives, and the establishment right continues to buy it. They look for all the reasons they possibly can for why they lost, even believing the left, but evade the single biggest reason. Lucy with the football. Anybody should be able to figure out why the vote wasn't there.

When the right embraces real conservatism, or better yet, libertarianism (and not this bullshit hostile definition of conservatism we constantly hear), they may have a shot at power again. I know I'm not going to hold my breath. If they want to continue to move left, we might as well just go ahead and have one party rule because the establishment right doesn't stand for shit.

After this election, I see no reason not to support and vote for a reasonable libertarian candidate, should one rise up. I've held my nose for the last time.
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You didn't lose the Missouri or Indiana Senate races because the guys were too establishment, nor did you lose Nevada and Delaware in 2010 for that reason.
All of those were lost because the candidates you put up were right wing lunatics. All of them you were favored to win before the lunatics were nominated. That's especially true for Delaware in 2010 and Indiana this year.
Trying to cover up the reason will get you nowhere. I have voted in the past for Republicans for both the Senate and for the Governor here in NJ, especially governor as the Dems in this state have put up candidate after candidate who is hopeless.
My mom regularly voted Republican about a third of the time. Now, in her old age? She swears she never will again, and that's because of how far right you guys have gone.
Get a clue.
 
Quote from RCG Trader:

That ABO thing was some manufactured joke to be played on low information right wing voters. It worked out just like everything they try works out.

The wingers never trusted Mittens, and he should have run the bus over them waaaaaay before the first debate, by then, it was to late.
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how would you explain the loss of millions of votes... if ABO was not a component. In fact I know of a few people who were pretending they never voted for Obama - but I remember them saying to the contrary in 2008.


ABO was plenty real.
Mitt should have presented a full fledged plan.
11 percent flat tax for individuals and 15 percent for corps plus a capped budget and no more borrowing would have gotten the job done. Or anything like that.. the party went crazy when just one candidate had the 999 plan even though 999 was not so hot.

WE just wanted a real plan.
 
Quote from jem:

how would you explain the loss of millions of votes... if ABO was not a component. In fact I know of a few people who were pretending they never voted for Obama - but I remember them saying to the contrary in 2008.


ABO was plenty real.
Mitt should have presented a full fledged plan.
11 percent flat tax for individuals and 15 percent for corps plus a capped budget and no more borrowing would have gotten the job done. Or anything like that.. the party went crazy when just one candidate had the 999 plan even though 999 was not so hot.

WE just wanted a real plan.
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The irony is, Mittens started running for 2012, as soon as quit in 2008.

And he had no plan, other than the Southern strategy to get the nomination. Well by that time he was so far to the right that he could not find his way back.

The last nail to me was when the GOP pulled the plug on Akin, but Mittens refused to denounce him with vigor. That told the nation all they needed to know. Mittens would have been a sock puppet for the wingers and that is a non-starter.
 
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