No argument with any of that. All I was saying is that I can't accept Trump's claim of being wiretapped simply because he says he was.
McCain says Trump has two choices on wiretap claim: provide evidence or retract
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No argument with any of that. All I was saying is that I can't accept Trump's claim of being wiretapped simply because he says he was.
I believe that to be true, yes. Though I don't believe I've ever seen the admission of that by the FBI. But I believe that happened.
Please point me to the post where I said it was impossible.
You continue to try to twist what I said about what Trump said. Trump said "Obama ordered wiretaps on him in Trump tower before the election".
Nothing you have stated indicates or suggests this to be the truth. Trump hasn't provided any proof to the statement, just the statement.
FOX News: Obama tapped Trump. Used Britain as a go-between. No paper trail.
Digest, and let us know what you think
I think you're becoming more hypocritical by the minute. This video states that the White House and Fox news both admit that proof can be impossible here - how convenient. But that 3 intelligence agency individuals indicated that British Intelligence was used to do the surveillance.
So the same intelligence agencies that you were so vocal about being untrustworthy when they were claiming Trump was in bed with the Russians to fix the election are now suddenly credible because they anonymously back Trump's claim of wiretapping??
Come on, man.
Dude. white hats and black hats exist within the Intel community. Gwb disagrees with the use of those terms but that's semantics. Patriots on one side. Globalists/obama loyalists on the other. And people in between. The Intel agencies are not monolithic.
That's why we're getting anti and pro trump leaks from all the law enforcement and Intel agencies.
There's nothing hypocritical about it. To assume the alaphabit agencies are monolithic in political composition is pretty naive and factually wrong
Look what's been leaked. Anti trump forces claim a connection with no proof. DNI and FBI have investigated and found jack shit. Now we've got pro trump leaks saying obama did it. Again. With no solid proof yet.
However. Look. One side tried desperately to pin shit on trump. Didn't happen. Trumps clean.
The wiretaps did happen. That's indisputable. Before the election. On Flynn
Now u never answered my question. How does the FBI DNI perform an investigation without electronic surveillance ? As trump was under investigation before the election.
One plus one equals ??????
And ur calling me hypocritical on this.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. You're talking about ideals here. I happen to mostly agree with who you consider a globalist and who you consider a patriot, but that's beside the point.
The hypocritical aspect is considering the pro-trump leaks as real and anything against him as false. You either consider the source compromised or you don't. It's not about the content but the source.
That's precisely all I'm saying, so why are you arguing with me?
You have an interesting hypothesis, but that's all it is.
How does the FBI perform an investigation without electronic surveillance? How did they perform investigations in the days where ELINT wasn't around? They interviewed witnesses, checked bank accounts, set up sting operations, etc.
Not true. I never said that. You're putting words in my mouth. I'm waiting for the proof on either side. And I am certainly open to it. But take note. The anti-Trumps have slandered this guy for nearly 2 years straight. And they've got nothing on him. The FBI and DNI went after him for fcks sakes, with an open investigation, and found NOTHING.
If they had something on this guy, trust me, it would have been in the papers a year ago.
Dude. That's wishful thinking and naive. Time will tell. We'll have to agree to disagree.
Not taking any sides here as i think there is still a gigantic leap of faith required to pin this directly on Obama, butttt....
This just released from CNN, Note the author of this Story, Jake Tapper, the one guy on CNN who i just told Tsing i have faith in as a hard news reporter. Im still skeptical of where this all leads, but there might be a there, there.
For Adam Schiff a dem from California to sign onto this, there must be something unusual here, cause its going to be the kiss of death for his career if he wrongfully implicates the obama admin here.
Faith in Jake Tapper CONFIRMED, faith in CNN still at all time lows.
House Intel Committee seeks names of Obama officials who requested 'unmasking' of Americans picked up on surveillance
(CNN)The leaders of the House Intelligence Committee asked the three leaders of the intelligence community Wednesday about any time during the last seven months of the Obama administration whenever any of its agents and officials improperly named, or "unmasked," and disseminated the identities of American citizens picked up in intelligence collection.
Chairman Devin Nunes, R-California, and Ranking Member Rep. Adam Schiff, D-California, wrote that they were concerned that members of the intelligence community have not been sufficiently honoring previously established "robust 'minimization procedures'" to protect the identities of US citizens, including "masking" their names. The letter they sent refers to the disclosure to the public that former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn had several conversations with the Russian Ambassador.
The matter is relevant not only because of the House Intelligence Committee's responsibility to conduct oversight of the intelligence community, but also as it may relate to surveillance of Russians known to US intelligence or any others who may have spoken with any advisers or individuals around then-candidate Donald Trump.
Nunes and Schiff asked the intelligence community leaders to disclose any "unmasked" identities that were disseminated throughout the intelligence community, law enforcement, or among senior Obama administration officials from June 2016 until January 2017 that relate to Trump or Hillary Clinton and their associates.
An informed source told CNN that if Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak was being surveilled, Flynn's name should not necessarily have been included on the intelligence report. Rather, "American Citizen 1" or a similar anonymous term should have been used.
"However, as recent news stories, seem to illustrate, individuals talking to the media would appear to have wantonly disregarded these procedures," Nunes and Schiff wrote. The congressmen also asked the names of individuals or agencies who "requested and/or authorized the unmasking and dissemination" of these identities.
The letter was addressed to Admiral Michael Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency; FBI Director James Comey; and CIA Director Mike Pompeo. The acting Director of National Intelligence Michael Dempsey was also included.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/15/politics/house-intelligence-committee-unmasking/index.html
This just released from CNN, Note the author of this Story, Jake Tapper, the one guy on CNN who i just told Tsing i have faith in as a hard news reporter. Im still skeptical of where this all leads, but there might be a there, there.
For Adam Schiff a dem from California to sign onto this, there must be something unusual here, cause its going to be the kiss of death for his career if he wrongfully implicates the obama admin here.
Faith in Jake Tapper CONFIRMED, faith in CNN still at all time lows.
House Intel Committee seeks names of Obama officials who requested 'unmasking' of Americans picked up on surveillance
(CNN)The leaders of the House Intelligence Committee asked the three leaders of the intelligence community Wednesday about any time during the last seven months of the Obama administration whenever any of its agents and officials improperly named, or "unmasked," and disseminated the identities of American citizens picked up in intelligence collection.
Chairman Devin Nunes, R-California, and Ranking Member Rep. Adam Schiff, D-California, wrote that they were concerned that members of the intelligence community have not been sufficiently honoring previously established "robust 'minimization procedures'" to protect the identities of US citizens, including "masking" their names. The letter they sent refers to the disclosure to the public that former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn had several conversations with the Russian Ambassador.
The matter is relevant not only because of the House Intelligence Committee's responsibility to conduct oversight of the intelligence community, but also as it may relate to surveillance of Russians known to US intelligence or any others who may have spoken with any advisers or individuals around then-candidate Donald Trump.
Nunes and Schiff asked the intelligence community leaders to disclose any "unmasked" identities that were disseminated throughout the intelligence community, law enforcement, or among senior Obama administration officials from June 2016 until January 2017 that relate to Trump or Hillary Clinton and their associates.
An informed source told CNN that if Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak was being surveilled, Flynn's name should not necessarily have been included on the intelligence report. Rather, "American Citizen 1" or a similar anonymous term should have been used.
"However, as recent news stories, seem to illustrate, individuals talking to the media would appear to have wantonly disregarded these procedures," Nunes and Schiff wrote. The congressmen also asked the names of individuals or agencies who "requested and/or authorized the unmasking and dissemination" of these identities.
The letter was addressed to Admiral Michael Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency; FBI Director James Comey; and CIA Director Mike Pompeo. The acting Director of National Intelligence Michael Dempsey was also included.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/15/politics/house-intelligence-committee-unmasking/index.html
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I encourage anyone interested in this matter to check out the video at the link below, (I cant embed it but) Feinstein looks like her dog just died, as she tells the press she cant say anything about her meeting with intelligence officials, If in fact the meeting led to nothing, and no wrong doings by the intelligence agencies, she would have released it immediately, because you dont have to "protect" anything that supposedly isnt going on.
I know that this is all wild speculation at this point, and i havent gotten sucked into this obama conspiracy yet, but id say its pretty clear after seeing this video, and the article from CNN where Adam Schiff a dem from California is now investigating intelligence agencies, that there is infact some wrong doing here by intelligence agencies, i cant be 100% but being able to decipher this kind of non speak from CEO's has made me alot of money, and id bet my life on it at this point that there is inproprieties here.
Doesnt mean it leads to Obama, doesnt mean Trump towers was tapped, but the FBI or one of the intelligence agencies fucked up somewhere here. Trumps main screw up now appears to be logistics, i.e. he said Obama tapped Trump Towers, which can not be proven to be accurate.
Keep in mind, this is Mediaite, and CNN (liberal sources) now turning on dems not breitbart and Fox news, there is something here, whether or not it leads to Obama is another question, doubt it ever will, but there is about to be egg on the face of democrats.
‘The Briefing Was All On Sensitive Matters’: Sen. Feinstein Tight-Lipped After Comey Meeting
Following a meeting with FBI Director James Comey, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) briefly spoke to reporters, but gave very little details about what was discussed.
The two top lawmakers on the Senate Judiciary Committee met with Comey after Grassley threatened to hold up the vote on Deputy Attorney General nominee Rod Rosenstein unless the FBI gave his panel a briefing on their investigations into Russian meddling in the election, any potential ties between Russia and President Donald Trump, and Trump’s claims that he was wiretapped by his predecessor.
Following a meeting with FBI Director James Comey, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) briefly spoke to reporters, but gave very little details about what was discussed.
The two top lawmakers on the Senate Judiciary Committee met with Comey after Grassley threatened to hold up the vote on Deputy Attorney General nominee Rod Rosenstein unless the FBI gave his panel a briefing on their investigations into Russian meddling in the election, any potential ties between Russia and President Donald Trump, and Trump’s claims that he was wiretapped by his predecessor.
Speaking to the press after the afternoon meeting, Feinstein stated that she wouldn’t go into the topics that were discussed but praised Grassley’s “tough language” in getting the briefing eventually scheduled.
“This briefing was all on sensitive matters and highly classified,” Feinstein said. “It’s really not anything we can answer any questions about.”
She then let reporters know that she wasn’t going to answer any questions on the briefing, apologizing that she couldn’t give them any info.
It was announced today that Comey will appear on Monday to testify at the House Intelligence Committee hearing on Russian interference. It was also noted last night that Comey would advise some members of the Senate if there was an active FBI investigation into Trump-Russia.
Watch the clip above, via NBC News.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/the-...n-feinstein-tight-lipped-after-comey-meeting/
I know that this is all wild speculation at this point, and i havent gotten sucked into this obama conspiracy yet, but id say its pretty clear after seeing this video, and the article from CNN where Adam Schiff a dem from California is now investigating intelligence agencies, that there is infact some wrong doing here by intelligence agencies, i cant be 100% but being able to decipher this kind of non speak from CEO's has made me alot of money, and id bet my life on it at this point that there is inproprieties here.
Doesnt mean it leads to Obama, doesnt mean Trump towers was tapped, but the FBI or one of the intelligence agencies fucked up somewhere here. Trumps main screw up now appears to be logistics, i.e. he said Obama tapped Trump Towers, which can not be proven to be accurate.
Keep in mind, this is Mediaite, and CNN (liberal sources) now turning on dems not breitbart and Fox news, there is something here, whether or not it leads to Obama is another question, doubt it ever will, but there is about to be egg on the face of democrats.
‘The Briefing Was All On Sensitive Matters’: Sen. Feinstein Tight-Lipped After Comey Meeting
Following a meeting with FBI Director James Comey, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) briefly spoke to reporters, but gave very little details about what was discussed.
The two top lawmakers on the Senate Judiciary Committee met with Comey after Grassley threatened to hold up the vote on Deputy Attorney General nominee Rod Rosenstein unless the FBI gave his panel a briefing on their investigations into Russian meddling in the election, any potential ties between Russia and President Donald Trump, and Trump’s claims that he was wiretapped by his predecessor.
Following a meeting with FBI Director James Comey, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) briefly spoke to reporters, but gave very little details about what was discussed.
The two top lawmakers on the Senate Judiciary Committee met with Comey after Grassley threatened to hold up the vote on Deputy Attorney General nominee Rod Rosenstein unless the FBI gave his panel a briefing on their investigations into Russian meddling in the election, any potential ties between Russia and President Donald Trump, and Trump’s claims that he was wiretapped by his predecessor.
Speaking to the press after the afternoon meeting, Feinstein stated that she wouldn’t go into the topics that were discussed but praised Grassley’s “tough language” in getting the briefing eventually scheduled.
“This briefing was all on sensitive matters and highly classified,” Feinstein said. “It’s really not anything we can answer any questions about.”
She then let reporters know that she wasn’t going to answer any questions on the briefing, apologizing that she couldn’t give them any info.
It was announced today that Comey will appear on Monday to testify at the House Intelligence Committee hearing on Russian interference. It was also noted last night that Comey would advise some members of the Senate if there was an active FBI investigation into Trump-Russia.
Watch the clip above, via NBC News.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/the-...n-feinstein-tight-lipped-after-comey-meeting/
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