Quote from CaptainObvious:
Because god dammit, there isn't a single mother fucker working that auto line making 75 bucks an hour, or anything close to it. Line workers make about 28 dollars an hour. Now you'll get no argument from me that's pretty good money considering the skill level. You'll also get no argument from me that their benefit package is absurd, especially in this day and age. No argument that their unions have lost touch with reality. But when I read the complete and total bullshit about some guy making 75 bucks an hour...I lose it. Enough with the mis-information and lies.
Further I have written here before... let the banks fall and I have no problem with GM going down too. Bailout out the banks, who were the worthless cocksuckers that orchestrated this mess in the first place,(along with those no good pricks in congress) and GM must be bailed out as well. If the blue bloods get saved, then so does blue collar.
"G.M. currently employs about 8,000 people who actually donât come to work. Those who do go to work are paid about $10 to $20 an hour more than people who do the same job building cars in the United States for foreign makers like Toyota. At G.M., as of 2007, the average worker was paid about $70 an hour, including health care and pension costs. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/b...html?_r=4&sq=andrew ross sorkin auto workers
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November 18, 2008
Dealbook Column
A Bridge Loan? U.S. Should Guide G.M. in a Chapter 11
By ANDREW ROSS SORKIN
Tony Cervone, a spokesman for General Motors, has a warm and friendly way to summarize his ailing companyâs ongoing dance with disaster.
âThe fact is weâre looking at a short-term liquidity crisis that needs a bridge loan,â Mr. Cervone said this weekend to The Detroit Free Press.
To him, G.M. is merely in a temporary bind. If the government â that is, taxpayers â were just willing to spot G.M. some cash to get it over this little rough patch, everything would be just fine.
Mr. Cervoneâs comment reflects whatâs wrong with the mind-set in Detroit.
G.M is using money so quickly that a $10 billion infusion made today would disappear by February. That is why taxpayers shouldnât fork over a cent, at least until shareholders are wiped out, management is tossed out and the industry is completely reorganized.
But there is a fix. Call it a government-sponsored bankruptcy, a G.S.B., if you will. It might sound a bit like an oxymoron, but it is an idea that has been quietly making the rounds in Washington. It makes a lot of sense.
Hereâs how it could work:
First, letâs recognize that G.M. doesnât need life support. What it needs is Chapter 11. The bankruptcy process is not a bad thing â indeed, it should be embraced. Bankruptcy allows companies to do tough things they could never do in the normal course of business. It has helped many companies turn themselves around and come out even stronger.
Bankruptcy would give G.M. enormous leverage with its debt holders â and, perhaps more important, with the U.A.W., whose gold-plated benefits are one reason G.M. is no longer competitive. A bankruptcy filing would also give G.M. the cover to close plants, rid itself of unprofitable brands and shed dealerships. In fact, unless G.M. files for bankruptcy, state laws would make it prohibitively expensive to shut dealerships.
So, first, the government would force G.M into a prepackaged bankruptcy now â even before policy makers may think it needs to be. As an inducement, the government would allow the merger with Chrysler to go forward. (Thereâs a lot of resistance to saving Chrysler too, but we need to look at the industry as a whole. And donât worry: Cerberus, the private equity firm that owns Chrysler, would have its equity wiped out too.)
The merger should reduce costs by as much as $7 billion. But thatâs not the tough stuff. The harder decisions are these: Both companies would have to jettison brands â lots of them. In the case of G.M., frankly, the only ones worth saving are Cadillac, Chevy and Buick. (Buick? Yes. Despite its lackluster sales and fuddy-duddy image in the United States, itâs a huge seller in China.)
That means Saturn, Pontiac, GMC and Saab would all disappear. Deutsche Bank estimates that reducing G.M.âs brands from eight to three would bring down the companyâs cost base by $5 billion annually. If youâre able to shut the dealerships too, lop off another $4 billion. Chrysler is an even sadder situation: the only brand with any value is Jeep. Its Dodge Ram truck lineup could be merged with Chevy, which would also pick up pieces of the GMC business. And Chryslerâs minivan business could be combined into the Chevy brand as well.
In all, the 35 plants of G.M. and Chrysler would probably be cut by half.
Then the auto workers, whose benefits are off the charts.
G.M. currently employs about 8,000 people who actually donât come to work. Those who do go to work are paid about $10 to $20 an hour more than people who do the same job building cars in the United States for foreign makers like Toyota. At G.M., as of 2007, the average worker was paid about $70 an hour, including health care and pension costs.
Those costs are already coming down slightly because of a renegotiated deal with U.A.W. last year, but not nearly enough.
Part of the problem is summed up by comments like this one in The Detroit Free Press, made by Kandy OâNeill, 39, an assembler at G.M.âs plant in Lake Orion, Mich., where she builds the Chevy Malibu and Pontiac G6. âI think weâve given enough,â she said about the cuts to her salary and pension plan.
âEverybody wants to come down hard on the workers,â she said. âNobody knows what we do inside there but the people who work there. Itâs hard. It is not an easy job.â
When you read a line like that you might sympathize with her, but then you realize that nothing can be accomplished without bankruptcy. Ms. OâNeill: your company is asking the taxpayers â many of whom donât have health care coverage â to pay your salary and health insurance.
And then we need these companies to agree to serious, strict enforcement of gas mileage standards. They should be producing the cleanest cars on the street. We may lose hundreds of thousands of jobs in this industry in the near term, but with the right kind of innovation, we should have millions of new jobs in the next 10 years.
Finally, we need to kick out management. That Rick Wagoner, chief executive of G.M., can say with a straight face that he still deserves to run this company is laughable. It would be impossible for him to put in place the serious changes that need to be made because he carries too much baggage. Heâd have to undo years of his own neglect.
After all that is agreed, and only then, the government should come in with whatâs known as debtor-in-possession financing to help the company through the bankruptcy process. Ideally, the government would be a âseed investorâ and others would join it.
The goal should not be to keep these companies from filing Chapter 11, but from filing for Chapter 7 â which would mean liquidation.
With the debt market virtually closed, this is the time the government can come in and try to help. But to jump in front of the train now, without the requisite changes made to the industry first â which we all know canât be done without Chapter 11 â would be foolish.
The automobile industry has argued that bankruptcy will be a disaster for the industry; that people wonât buy vehicles while theyâre in bankruptcy for fear that the warranty wonât mean anything. Thereâs a fix for that too. The government should establish a warranty insurance fund that would insure the warranties of all G.M. and Chrysler vehicles bought while the combined company is still operating under bankruptcy protection. The cost to taxpayers should be next to nothing, assuming the company survives and can takeover the warranty obligations.
The government also should consider using some of the money for the financial industry rescue not to save the companies, but to retrain employees in the Detroit area and help promote development of new industry. A lot of people complain about the role of government in business and free markets. But it is hard to complain about efforts to make the nationâs workforce more employable.
Barack Obama, on â60 Minutesâ Sunday night, said that government assistance must be âconditioned on labor, management, suppliers, lenders, all the stakeholders coming together with a plan.â He said, âSo that we are creating a bridge loan to somewhere as opposed to a bridge loan to nowhere.â
Take note, Mr. Cervone: that bridge is called Chapter 11.
