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McCain Admits He Gave Dossier Containing "Sensitive Information" On Trump To The FBI
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Nobody, who does not repent, is close to the Kingdom of God. I am not judging Russian prostitutes and their life choices and decisions. But without repentence they are certainly not close to the Kingdom of God. Need proof, not fake news? Then read the bible.
The idea that prostitutes could be closer to the Kingdom Of God than certain kinds of religious hypocrites IS A BIBLICAL CONCEPT.
Interesting backlash.
I view Mohammed's plagiarism as a kind of backlash, borrowing from Jewish and Christian folklore to give us a testosterone-on-steroids new religion in the 7th century.
In the 19th century, another derivative of Judeo-Christian literature/culture/style mushroomed up out of the darkness via Joseph Smith.
I suppose anytime you're faced and forced with cognitive dissonance (not to mention sex, violence and rediculous theology) in letters, the backlash can be unpredictable as people's heads explode.
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Whether Paul quotes Jesus directly is utterly irrelevant.
What do you mean by "irrelevant"?
Quote by Jesus (Luke 22:19-20):
And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.
Quote by Paul of what Jesus said (1 Corinthians 11:23-26):
“This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.”In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant, do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
=> You have been proven wrong and should own up to it because you proclaimed in post #82 , I quote you: "Worse, Paul doesn't even quote Jesus at all and poses as a news anchor, only its fake news. Don't even get me started on the rediculous "old testament".
The bible is the most read book, the most purchased book, the most quoted book in the world. You can choose to believe its content or not. That is entirely up to you, but the above proves that your claim is wrong.
Case closed!
And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.
Quote by Paul of what Jesus said (1 Corinthians 11:23-26):
“This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.”In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant, do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
=> You have been proven wrong and should own up to it because you proclaimed in post #82 , I quote you: "Worse, Paul doesn't even quote Jesus at all and poses as a news anchor, only its fake news. Don't even get me started on the rediculous "old testament".
The bible is the most read book, the most purchased book, the most quoted book in the world. You can choose to believe its content or not. That is entirely up to you, but the above proves that your claim is wrong.
Case closed!
If only the apostate Paul would have taken your advice.
This reminds me of the time someone quoted the bible when I was teaching two or three people, and said Jesus said it. I said Paul said it. He tried to argue with me so I proposed a bet, like $50. He thought he knew the bible like you do. The question was settled at a nearby library because he was not carrying a bible and I don't own one. He tried to get out of it by saying that anything Paul said was what Jesus said, but eventually had to give it up. To his credit, he paid it off over several weeks.
Now you want to tell me that Paul's INTERPRETATION of what Jesus said is some kind of quote.
You lose.
That's not what I said. I mean, here we are with a record of what I just said, and you are presuming to tell the world what I just said...kind of like how CNN anchors tell us what Trump said.
How much more did Paul tell the world what Jesus said in a day when authentic quotations were more and more rare as the decades wore on!
You are making my point for me!
What I said was Paul never quoted Jesus.
I have not been proven wrong.
Nope. Nada. Zip. Zero.
But if you want, you can force it to cough up something about Jesus, like you can force a square peg into a round hole, force nails into Jesus' hands, and force words into his mouth.
You can also force him to be the Jewish notion of "Messiah", just as you can force him into being "the King Of The Jews".
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Looks like you are game for spreading fake news, as opposed to any good news.
I have not read more than the headlines of all of the Pauline quotes you presented, but I can assure you, he does not quote Jesus, ever.
Additionally, he does quote something from "scripture" that does not appear in any collected version of the bible.
1. your post admits your ignorance. You proudly refuse to listen to the evidence, yet you feel qualified to make a comment about whether McCain should respected.
You won't silence me by telling me he served on the hill or was shot down in viet nam.
You will silence me by talking about the quality of his service. Most politicians in D.C. have sold out americans to the globalists. I don't consider that service to our country.
2. we are not selling our soul to Trump. We are sensing this president may be our last change we have to save out country for the establishment scum that were selfishly extracting its wealth for nefarious reasons. We were really close to watching our country tip into 4 to 8 more years of more govt, more taxes and more people in the middle class become the working poor. We hope that this president whoever it was would change our course.
You won't silence me by telling me he served on the hill or was shot down in viet nam.
You will silence me by talking about the quality of his service. Most politicians in D.C. have sold out americans to the globalists. I don't consider that service to our country.
2. we are not selling our soul to Trump. We are sensing this president may be our last change we have to save out country for the establishment scum that were selfishly extracting its wealth for nefarious reasons. We were really close to watching our country tip into 4 to 8 more years of more govt, more taxes and more people in the middle class become the working poor. We hope that this president whoever it was would change our course.
I don't expose myself to fake news, so no, I have not seen it. You people are selling your souls for a guy with zero track record of philanthropy or serving the public or anyone for that matter than himself but have no qualms to deny and denounce the decades some people have served your country in the armed forces and/or public services. It does not matter whether they represent your views or not they have done more good than you will do in your entire lifetime. The real parasites and suckers are people like you who deny the contributions some have made to life and the world just because they don't fit your political view.
how would anyone estimate whether the bible is accurately quoting jesus when it quotes him.
most of the arguments I have read or heard on that subject are weak. Frankly they were made misusing the rules of evidence such as hearsay and declarations against interest.
So if you have an original take on the subject, I would like to read it.
most of the arguments I have read or heard on that subject are weak. Frankly they were made misusing the rules of evidence such as hearsay and declarations against interest.
So if you have an original take on the subject, I would like to read it.
The bible is to Jesus what CNN is to Trump.
I estimate only 5% of what it says Jesus says...is what he said. That can be reduced zero when you surround true text with "con"text. Worse, Paul doesn't even quote Jesus at all and poses as a news anchor, only its fake news. Don't even get me started on the rediculous "old testament".
Quote by Jesus (Luke 22:19-20):
And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.
Quote by Paul of what Jesus said (1 Corinthians 11:23-26):
“This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.”In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant, do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
=> You have been proven wrong and should own up to it because you proclaimed in post #82 , I quote you: "Worse, Paul doesn't even quote Jesus at all and poses as a news anchor, only its fake news. Don't even get me started on the rediculous "old testament".
The bible is the most read book, the most purchased book, the most quoted book in the world. You can choose to believe its content or not. That is entirely up to you, but the above proves that your claim is wrong.
Case closed!
So you came up with ONE QUOTE from someone who didn't show up on the scene till 20 years after Jesus' resurrection.
ONE QUOTE from a Johnny-come-lately who was given more press than all actual apostles combined.
My point still stands, even though I misremembered how few quotes the apostate Paul mentioned.
I was off by one quote.
It's been a couple of decades since I owned a bible, about the same amount of time it took Paul to show up and manufacture an alternative gospel that made sense to a former-Pharisee.
Not that you need to quote Jesus to know what your talking about.
But the earliest "gospels" were simply books of quotation...100% quotations vs. Paul's .001%
You need to admit whatever Paul said was AN INTERPRETATION of a twenty year old legend.
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how would anyone estimate whether the bible is accurately quoting jesus when it quotes him.
most of the arguments I have read or heard on that subject are weak. Frankly they were made misusing the rules of evidence such as hearsay and declarations against interest.
So if you have an original take on the subject, I would like to read it.
I do have an original take on the subject, and rely on that for the 5% figure. That source claims to have been very close to the original source (Jesus) and the "Gospel of Thomas", which was a book of 100% quotations consisting of about 70% authentic and 30% spurious (added by idiots with agendas).
Besides this there are organized efforts, even of those considering themselves Christians, to give a confidence weight to anything they say Jesus said. Nothing is taken with 100% confidence. The confidence of those kinds of folks is astonishingly lower than most bible-believing type folks, but generelly much higher than my 5% source.
For my own puposes, to come to such a conclusion, I maintain that you must know what the "gospel" actually is before you can judge the authenticity of anything they say Jesus said. If you know the gospel then you can see where they've put words in his mouth to satisfy an agenda. If you know the gospel there are things you would just never say...or do.
From this perspective, most of what he says in red letters is ambiguous, and insufficient for anyone to understand exactly what salvation actually is. Ambiguity surrounded by "con"text amounts to a co-opted agenda, providing a type of "salvation" in the opposite direction Jesus was pointing to.
You were wrong and you are too much of a pussy to admit. You are not even a man who owns up to his mistakes. Even when you are confronted with counter evidence head on you deny and can't admit your claim was wrong (by the way it's not just one quote, if you want me to post more and make you look even stupider then please raise your hand)
The inability to admit where on is wrong is a pretty serious character flaw, especially in trading.
The inability to admit where on is wrong is a pretty serious character flaw, especially in trading.
So you came up with ONE QUOTE from someone who didn't show up on the scene till 20 years after Jesus' resurrection.
ONE QUOTE from a Johnny-come-lately who was given more press than all actual apostles combined.
My point still stands, even though I misremembered how few quotes the apostate Paul mentioned.
I was off by one quote.
It's been a couple of decades since I owned a bible, about the same amount of time it took Paul to show up and manufacture an alternative gospel that made sense to a former-Pharisee.
Not that you need to quote Jesus to know what your talking about.
But the earliest "gospels" were simply books of quotation...100% quotations vs. Paul's .001%
You need to admit whatever Paul said was AN INTERPRETATION of a twenty year old legend.
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