Max Baucus on Obamacare

and how the democrats will prevent 45,000 uninsured from dying every year:

“Too often, much of late, the last couple three years, the mal-distribution of income in American is gone up way too much, the wealthy are getting way, way too wealthy and the middle income class is left behind,” he said. “Wages have not kept up with increased income of the highest income in America. This legislation will have the effect of addressing that mal-distribution of income in America.”
 
Quote from bugscoe:

and how the democrats will prevent 45,000 uninsured from dying every year:
Whether one believes that study,
http://pnhp.org/excessdeaths/health-insurance-and-mortality-in-US-adults.pdf

at least look at it and one may come away with the conclusion that there is an increase in mortality when the uninsured lacks the economic means to find adequate health care in an emergency and to participate in preventive health care.

Researchers from Harvard Medical School say the lack of coverage can be tied to about 45,000 deaths a year in the United States — a toll that is greater than the number of people who die each year from kidney disease.

“If you extend coverage, you can save lives,” said Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, a professor of medicine at Harvard who is one of the study’s authors. The research is being published in the December issue of the American Journal of Public Health and was posted online Thursday.

The Harvard study found that people without health insurance had a 40 percent higher risk of death than those with private health insurance — as a result of being unable to obtain necessary medical care. The risk appears to have increased since 1993, when a similar study found the risk of death was 25 percent greater for the uninsured.

The increase in risk, according to the study, is likely to be a result of at least two factors. One is the greater difficulty the uninsured have today in finding care, as public hospitals have closed or cut back on services. The other is improvements in medical care for insured people with treatable chronic conditions like high blood pressure.
 
Quote from tmarket:

Whether one believes that study,
http://pnhp.org/excessdeaths/health-insurance-and-mortality-in-US-adults.pdf

at least look at it and one may come away with the conclusion that there is an increase in mortality when the uninsured lacks the economic means to find adequate health care in an emergency and to participate in preventive health care.

His reasoning begins from his politics, so he'll either:

Dismiss the science (without making any observations himself), or
Accept the science, but blame the poor for their poverty, and/or
Redirect to why the rich must be allowed to get richer.
 
Quote from Ricter:

His reasoning begins from his politics, so he'll either:

Dismiss the science (without making any observations himself), or
Accept the science, but blame the poor for their poverty, and/or
Redirect to why the rich must be allowed to get richer.

You guys blame the rich for their wealth all the time. Why should I not follow your lead and blame the poor?
 
Quote from bugscoe:

You guys blame the rich for their wealth all the time. Why should I not follow your lead and blame the poor?

Because you have morals?
 
Dean: Of course ObamaCare is wealth redistribution!

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Quote from bugscoe:

Yes, and they don't include blaming others for that which I don't have. Period.

Fair enough, the money is not the cause, only the enabler. I look forward to catching you using a social structure as a causative agent from here on.
 
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BFD. This legislation enables distribution, other legislation enables accumulation.

The top 1% of our population own 42.7% of the financial wealth, and the bottom 80% own just 7.0% of that wealth (2007 figures).
 
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