Maverick74 and marketsurfer's TopstepTrader Combine (daily trade reports and journal)

Quote from ARDL:

they are really only giving you $4,500, the amount that you can lose.

i'm surprised more guys aren't talking about the commissions. true futures prop shops in chicago have guys paying commissions at cost or very small mark-ups (.10-20 a round turn) over members rates. do some math on their commissions and it gets very expensive if you trade any kind of size, which is the whole point of trading prop.

Well, if you want to get specific, technically it's 30k. The combine Austin is doing allows you to lose 6k before getting sent back. When he goes live again they wipe that loss out. Michael stated that they are willing to do that 5 times. So if by "give" you mean how much in losses will they absorb, that number in his case is 30k. Just wanted to clear that up.
 
Quote from icarus618:

Under your reading, a trader can make $30K profit, withdraw all of it ("cushion does not have to be maintained") and yet still qualify for 80/20.

I read it a bit differently. Your version doesn't jibe with the graduated requirements for different account sizes merging into one box after $15K+ in CUMULATIVE (I read that as "built up") profits for 70/30 and $30K+ in CUMULATIVE profits for 80/20.

I don't read it any more or less than verbatim. What is stated in the site looks pretty clear to me. Which is why I read no further than that.
 
Quote from austinp:

"Whining" would be all those endless threads and blogs out there where big-money traders with $millions parked in MFG and PFG now have nothing but empty accounts and regrets. For all you and I know, mighty IB or any other dealer could be next.

That would be whining about needing capital. You have mistaken my interest in free money on the side for that.

Now if someone offers me $150,000 to start and negotiable upside from there... with no risk of loss to a clearing firm crash on my part, I'm interested. If not, I'll keep doing what I'm doing in the freakin' CL and that'll be just fine :cool:



Do you really think you would see a dime if the backing firm filed a chp7 and listed your trading profits as a liability ?
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

Ridiculous! Hedge fund managers get 20% and you complain about 80%?

And a good year for them is 20% return yet the combine wants you to generate $2500 profit in 2 weeks on $1500 worth of intraday margin
 
Quote from volente_00:

Do you really think you would see a dime if the backing firm filed a chp7 and listed your trading profits as a liability ?

In the case of TST backing, how much of my own capital would I lose? Guys like Don Miller lost $3mm of his own with MFG and ceased trading for awhile until he recovered whatever amount. Thousands of others are just like him... personal capital lost.
 
Quote from volente_00:

And a good year for them is 20% return yet the combine wants you to generate $2500 profit in 2 weeks on $1500 worth of intraday margin

$1,500 intraday margin?
 
Quote from Magna:

This thread has gotten way off-topic so please keep posts on the theme of those ET members taking the Combine. If you have questions for TST this is not the place to post them, instead go to:
TopstepTrader and Patak Trading Partners- Any and all questions answered here

Today's posts have been reviewed and many have been removed. Please keep things respectful and on-topic. Thanks.

Guys, is there anyway we can keep this thread on topic? Otherwise, let's just close it.
 
Quote from austinp:

you start with zero. you make +$30,000. you withdraw 80% and pocket $24,000

you start with zero. you make +$10,000 peak, then proceed to lose it all and also draw down to max loss and stall.

in either scenario, what do you actually lose?



60/40 tax treatment and get stuck paying 15.3% extra for self employment tax on top of your tax bracket.
 
It's amazing the hate people toss out. So tell me how many have just put 5k in the account and never looked back first time out.. Doubt it. People who trade know its not just a walk in the park. So serious if you are bitching about 300 dollars which can be made and lost. In 1 min in the futures market needs to get a life. so I risk 300 instead of 10k get some help and maybe get a account can't be all that bad. I am guessing all the hate is from prop house that. Are jealous. Since most don't teach you anything and just take your 5k and you trade it your self and the prop firm really doesn't put any risk capital on the line..
Peace out
 
Quote from volente_00:

60/40 tax treatment and get stuck paying 15.3% extra for self employment tax on top of your tax bracket.

and that differs greatly from trading your own money how?

keeping in mind it is extra capital on the side... just more firepower than you have right now to trade whatever else you desire, period.
 
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