Maverick74 and marketsurfer's TopstepTrader Combine (daily trade reports and journal)

Quote from marketsurfer:

Peter Brandt, the guy who charges $7000 plus for a weekend seminar, ok, whatever you say.

Yes, i do agree that there are many prop traders who make a good living, but its due to edges taught to them by the prop shop and access to the capital provided by the firm. I don't believe these folks are "crafters" but rather executors of taught edges. Obviously, this is just my opinion and what my experience has been in the business. surf

I don't want to populate this thread with off-topic discussion, but edges don't exist into perpetuity. There is no static edge unless you are a liquidity provider or something of that nature. Everyone has to adapt and use their experience to make judgement calls. Experience is only gained through thousands of hour of concentrated effort. Even if you are automated, there is an art to idea generation, adaptation, execution. This is the craft!

There aren't any shortcuts bro! No excuses for being lazy either :)
 
Quote from Shanb:

I don't want to populate this thread with off-topic discussion, but edges don't exist into perpetuity. There is no static edge unless you are a liquidity provider or something of that nature. Everyone has to adapt and use their experience to make judgement calls. Experience is only gained through thousands of hour of concentrated effort. Even if you are automated, there is an art to idea generation, adaptation, execution. This is the craft!

There aren't any shortcuts bro! No excuses for being lazy either :)

I don't disagree. Fixed system edges are doomed to fail. I do see your point, thanks for explaining it in a clear fashion, surf
 
Quote from Shanb:

I don't want to populate this thread with off-topic discussion, but edges don't exist into perpetuity. There is no static edge unless you are a liquidity provider or something of that nature. Everyone has to adapt and use their experience to make judgement calls. Experience is only gained through thousands of hour of concentrated effort. Even if you are automated, there is an art to idea generation, adaptation, execution. This is the craft!

There aren't any shortcuts bro! No excuses for being lazy either :)

way too late for off-topic avoidance... and the mods will clear the clutter if they see fit

The only constant in all market action from the beginning of time until now and forever until the end is this: price contracts, and expands. It does so in predictable, measureable fashion amidst the otherwise random noise.

Now, using that constant market behavior and building an edge from it is the only basis for consistent edge forever. Learning to navigate the endless market cycles of low, medium and high volatility is where 10,000+ hours of experience comes into effect.
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

I disagree. trading, when done correctly, is a science--not a craft. Sure, its an art for some--but these folks 99% of the time are overall losers or barely making minimum wage when all is factored in. On the other hand, folks like Jim Simons who approach the markets as a science rake in the dollars. Just look at the success of HFT and quant shops overall compared to the chart readers and craft makers of the market. The crafters and chart minions have been defeated so many times, I am shocked they are still trying...

So you are saying that pre HFT and pre algo
It was impossible to make money in the markets ?

I wonder what the guys in the 70s and 80s where thinking ?
Not to mention the guys trading in the 1900th , the. Where all
Doomed to fail! What where they thinking ?!?


Sarcasm off ;)
 
Quote from baggerlord:

You are absolutely right. I should have stated that I found what works FOR ME.

But my biggest mistake was following "conventional wisdom" taught by people that won't publish track records. If I thought for myself from the beginning it wouldn't have taken me so long to become profitable.

Hope all is well btw.

Sorry didn't see this earlier. Hope all is well with you Bagger and good tradin!
Yea man there is def alot of junk out there. I guess you just gotta dig your heels in and do all of the work ourselves.
 
This was real money Surf. It says for last week my win% overall was 80%. However, I will need to concentrate on performance for the combine and go for longer targets if I want to meet my goal.





Quote from marketsurfer:

I am expecting 100% wins from that joker. He rarely loses, just ask him.

surf:D
 

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Quote from Maverick74:

Austin, my suggestion on the other thread was very simple and I think it solves everything. Just get rid of the time limit. I mean, I'm looking at your trading and you are doing exactly what I told Michael a lot of guys will do. They are going to swing big and go for broke and once they have a few down days or flat days, they are going to completely change how they normally trade simply to pass the combine. And in return, they are going to change their trading style and develop bad trading habits that they will never get rid of. I would really like to talk to Michael about this. This is the one criticism I do have and it has not been addressed.

Adapting to a set of rules to pass a 10 day sim test may not accurately reflect how one will trade in a live account. Trading habits (good and bad) develop over time. Given the current parameters, austinp is facing the same predicament as the prior three CL traders who eventually got funded by passing the combine on the final day. However, to say that one develops "bad trading habits that they will never get rid of" by taking a 10 day sim test is an overstatement. By that logic, the prior CL traders should have blown out their daily risk by now in the live combine, especially after "gunning the close" on their final day of sim.

The current solution already addressed is the custom combine, whereby a trader lowers their required P&L amount by adding to another criteria of the performance metrics. (Example, reduced overall P&L in exchange for a greater overall number of winning day %).

Regarding time limits, Patak responded on the Q&A thread. The two points were to either remove the time limit, or to allow traders to enter positions on every available trading day within their respective combines, thus maximizing the amount of days one can trade during the combine to either reduce their net average and/or work their way out of a draw.

Here's the quote:

Quote from MichaelPatak:

Scalperjoe and maverick- this is something we have discussed in scout meetings. Both points are solid and would be better in the development of certain types of traders. I will look into seeing if this is something we could start approving for our CUSTOMIZED objective.

For the elite traders out there would you like to see this type of review added to the Combine?

Thanks,

mp
 
Quote from ScalperJoe:

The current solution already addressed is the custom combine, whereby a trader lowers their required P&L amount by adding to another criteria of the performance metrics. (Example, reduced overall P&L in exchange for a greater overall number of winning day %).

Regarding time limits, Patak responded on the Q&A thread. The two points were to either remove the time limit, or to allow traders to enter positions on every available trading day within their respective combines, thus maximizing the amount of days one can trade during the combine to either reduce their net average and/or work their way out of a draw.

Here's the quote: Scalperjoe and maverick- this is something we have discussed in scout meetings. Both points are solid and would be better in the development of certain types of traders. I will look into seeing if this is something we could start approving for our CUSTOMIZED objective.

For the elite traders out there would you like to see this type of review added to the Combine?

Thanks,

mp

Well, my youtube channel has 98 live-trading videos recorded in real-time for the past 1.5 years and my blog has 3+ years of several hundred posts with several thousand chart captures thru that time. I'd say my overall style of trading won't be permanently changed by this brief, ten-day combine effort :)

With six sessions left remaining, I see three possible outcomes:
#1: Flame out, bomb out and dead in the water
#2: Meet all qualifications
#3: Meet some qualifications, invited to repeat the process

At this time I'm not going to look past or think beyond the next six sessions of operation. Then I'll comment further at the end. Meanwhile, I have a specific plan of operation that I'll execute every day.

I squandered two gravy sessions in CL getting my feet under me and worked too hard and not smart in the remaining two congestive sessions. Spent some bits of time today getting my charts and T4 platform set for accuracy.

I'm going to use 2 different trade ladders for order entry... one ladder for trade orders with OCO stops at fill and one ladder for stop order adjustments. That will remove the thinking part in fast tapes and prevent most if not all keystroke errors.

Now it's simply time to execute. That's it. Either I adhere to operating a structured plan or I fail to. We'll see what happens at the end.

I will say I'm impressed with the manner in which MP seems willing to work with aspiring traders in honest effort to move them from demo to live mode. Everything I've seen and read so far about customization, I like. Obviously the bar for entry cannot be laid flat on the ground for everyone who can fog a mirror to step over. The idea that barriers of entry can be arranged in different ways shows me sincerity in the offer to work with traders funded.
 
Quote from baggerlord:

//Start OT Rant//

OK so we get into a trade where we are risking 5 to make 15. It moves 5 in our favor. By choosing to keep the trade open we are risking 10 to make 10. If it is profitable to keep the trade open at this point, it is profitable to make a 1:1 trade!

It is all just playing momentum.


I agree that outright trading is basically trading market momentum (inertia), but there are options to manage trades. For example if we risk 5 and it moves 5 ITM, we can move stop to b/e and have no risk to initial capital anymore, but potentially unlimited upside.

Having said that (for the sake of objectivity) I mostly scalp momentum in FX myself.
 
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