MAUNA LOA - Atmospheric CO2 Hits 400 Parts Per Million Mark

[stoic]

Quote from futurecurrents:
Totally and absolutely false. There has been NO pause in warming of the earth.
To continue to repeat this falsehood is simply ignorant.
CO2 is a greenhouse gas and we have increased it's levels by 40% due to our burning of fossil fuels. The earth is warming ever faster with no pause. It's that simple.

fc can't keep it straight. More examples of the hypocrisy that is fc

Thread: Not 97% but .3% of Climatologist agree. page 198

Quote from futurecurrents:
There has been a pause in atmospheric warming because the heat has been absorbed by the oceans...

Thread: What 95% certainty of warming means to.......page 16

Quote from futurecurrents:
So I guess if there is a pause on the five minute chart you sell your long term stock holding....

Thread: Global warming LOL. page 27

Quote from futurecurrents:
The climate models have not failed. They may not have predicted this short term pause but.....

Thread: The Great Global Warming Swindle. page 85

Quote from futurecurrents:
The pause in AIR temp rise is because the OCEANS are absorbing the heat.....

Thread: Earth Day Predictions. page 7

Quote from futurecurrents:
Temperatures can continue the slower rise for another thirty years before they need consider new models.

Thread: Climate scientists struggle to explain warming slowdown. page 1
FC quoting a Reuters article w/ link

Quote from futurecurrents:
....rate at which the earth's surface is heating up has slowed somewhat since 2000, causing scientists to search for an explanation for the pause...... explain the slowdown in surface warming but would also suggest that the pause may be only temporary....... the ocean at the onset of the warming pause......

So maybe we should ask the question of futurecurrents ......

Has there been a pause or slowdown....... or is the earth warming ever faster......?

Just answer the question Chicken Little. And for once stick with that answer and quit contradicting yourself.

I certainly hope this doesn't prompt yet another posting of the infamous hockey stick chart

 

[futurecurrents]

If you wanted to measure the heat content of something which would you choose, 4% of it or 90% of it? You would measure the 90%. The oceans are 90% of the earth's heat and largely control climate. There has been NO pause in warming of the earth. The atmosphere yes, the earth no.

Quote from stoic:

fc can't keep it straight. More examples of the hypocrisy that is fc

Thread: Not 97% but .3% of Climatologist agree. page 198



Thread: What 95% certainty of warming means to.......page 16



Thread: Global warming LOL. page 27



Thread: The Great Global Warming Swindle. page 85



Thread: Earth Day Predictions. page 7



Thread: Climate scientists struggle to explain warming slowdown. page 1
FC quoting a Reuters article w/ link



So maybe we should ask the question of futurecurrents ......

Has there been a pause or slowdown....... or is the earth warming ever faster......?

Just answer the question Chicken Little. And for once stick with that answer and quit contradicting yourself.

I certainly hope this doesn't prompt yet another posting of the infamous hockey stick chart

 

[tradingjournals]

Quote from Fractals 'R Us:

It's insulting to God to say the He/She can't make a planet that self-adjusts it's temperature. Take it up with God, quit bothering people with this trash...

God created this earth that feeds and builds their bodies, yet these insignificant creatures (who go to restrooms, need water and food to survive, etc), dare say earth needs their help. The people of Lot were dealt with by mother earth when they did not stop doing what they were doing.

Earth has multiple pathways to clean the filth of any creature that lives on it and from it. It also cleans creatures when they become filth.

 

[jem]

beating a dead horse... that is what you are doing...
I am presenting recent science and studies...

these are 3 studies in the last 3 years. 2 are from NASA...

are you saying these recent studies from NASA are wrong.

You have science showing that more green things and plants do not create more aerosols which block out the sun's energy?

Or are you saying you don't believe in models?

Quote from jem:

more co2 more plants more cooling says NASA study / model.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fe...ant-growth.html


1. A new NASA computer modeling effort has found that additional growth of plants and trees in a world with doubled atmospheric carbon dioxide levels would create a new negative feedback – a cooling effect – in the Earth's climate system that could work to reduce future global warming.

The cooling effect would be -0.3 degrees Celsius (C) (-0.5 Fahrenheit (F)) globally and -0.6 degrees C (-1.1 F) over land, compared to simulations where the feedback was not included, said Lahouari Bounoua, of Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. Bounoua is lead author on a paper detailing the results that will be published Dec. 7 in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.


2. CO2 is a powerful coolant and thermostat per NASA science.



http://science.nasa.gov/science-new...12/22mar_saber/


Mlynczak is the associate principal investigator for the SABER instrument onboard NASA’s TIMED satellite. SABER monitors infrared emissions from Earth’s upper atmosphere, in particular from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances that play a key role in the energy balance of air hundreds of km above our planet’s surface.
“Carbon dioxide and nitric oxide are natural thermostats,” explains James Russell of Hampton University, SABER’s principal investigator. “When the upper atmosphere (or ‘thermosphere’) heats up, these molecules try as hard as they can to shed that heat back into space.”
That’s what happened on March 8th when a coronal mass ejection (CME) propelled in our direction by an X5-class solar flare hit Earth’s magnetic field. (On the “Richter Scale of Solar Flares,” X-class flares are the most powerful kind.) Energetic particles rained down on the upper atmosphere, depositing their energy where they hit. The action produced spectacular auroras around the poles and significant1 upper atmospheric heating all around the globe.
“The thermosphere lit up like a Christmas tree,” says Russell. “It began to glow intensely at infrared wavelengths as the thermostat effect kicked in.”
For the three day period, March 8th through 10th, the thermosphere absorbed 26 billion kWh of energy. Infrared radiation from CO2 and NO, the two most efficient coolants in the thermosphere, re-radiated 95% of that total back into space.

3. Change in co2 follow but lag change in ocean temps.


Using data series on atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperatures we investigate the phase relation (leads/lags) between these for the period January 1980 to December 2011. Ice cores show atmospheric CO2 variations to lag behind atmospheric temperature changes on a century to millennium scale, but modern temperature is expected to lag changes in atmospheric CO2, as the atmospheric temperature increase since about 1975 generally is assumed to be caused by the modern increase in CO2. In our analysis we use eight well-known datasets; 1) globally averaged well-mixed marine boundary layer CO2 data, 2) HadCRUT3 surface air temperature data, 3) GISS surface air temperature data, 4) NCDC surface air temperature data, 5) HadSST2 sea surface data, 6) UAH lower troposphere temperature data series, 7) CDIAC data on release of anthropogene CO2, and 8) GWP data on volcanic eruptions. Annual cycles are present in all datasets except 7) and 8), and to remove the influence of these we analyze 12-month averaged data. We find a high degree of co-variation between all data series except 7) and 8), but with changes in CO2 always lagging changes in temperature. The maximum positive correlation between CO2 and temperature is found for CO2 lagging 11–12 months in relation to global sea surface temperature, 9.5-10 months to global surface air temperature, and about 9 months to global lower troposphere temperature. The correlation between changes in ocean temperatures and atmospheric CO2 is high, but do not explain all observed changes.



See: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.gloplacha.2012.08.008





The highlights of the paper are:

► The overall global temperature change sequence of events appears to be from 1) the ocean surface to 2) the land surface to 3) the lower troposphere.

► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging about 11–12 months behind changes in global sea surface temperature.

► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging 9.5-10 months behind changes in global air surface temperature.

► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging about 9 months behind changes in global lower troposphere temperature.

► Changes in ocean temperatures appear to explain a substantial part of the observed changes in atmospheric CO2 since January 1980.

► CO2 released from use of fossil fuels have little influence on the observed changes in the amount of atmospheric CO2, and changes in atmospheric CO2 are not tracking changes in human emissions.

The paper:

The phase relation between atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperature

Ole Humluma, b,
Kjell Stordahlc,
Jan-Erik Solheimd

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/...global-warming/

 

[tradingjournals]

Quote from jem:

beating a dead horse...
these are 3 studies in the last 3 years.

2 are from NASA...

Stop talking about studies, NASA, etc. It is self evident. Can't you and them understand that you are made of earth. How could you and them save something that you are made of/from?

 

[tradingjournals]

Quote from jem:



If you start to putting together the science, you see that as the earth cycles the earth starts to thickening up the greenhouse.

Aerosols, Water Vapor and CO2 (in the upper atmosphere) block the suns energy cooling the earth.

Then the oceans cools and they start absorbing co2 and the greenhouse gets thinner....

then cycles again.

You do not need all that. Start with the basics. Gravity and electrostatic forces. No one is doing the pulling, yet the forces bind things. Physics write models of these forces, but who created these forces, who is doing the pulling, why there is pulling? Questions an azz phycist would not have the courage to say: "we just model things", and your question is beyond our ability as a human to understand it.

Next time you meet a physics, confront him with these questions. You will see he will start mumbling.

These forces are great signs of the existence of God. If I were god I will give you these forces on the day of judgement as evidence to make my case against you.

 

[jem]

I have to take the time to stop leftists drone liars... because the left is actively working to crush our economy with debt, cap and trade and and third world transfers of payments via the UN.

I have 4 young kids and I have to give them a chance to have a life with some financial upside.

The govt drones want to write them into a lifetime of debt slavery.
It would be unforgiveable if baby boomers were able to go from the greatest generation to a debt slave nation during their / our time in control.

Quote from tradingjournals:

Stop talking about studies, NASA, etc. It is self evident. Can't you and them understand that you are made of earth. How could you and them save something that you are made of/from?

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from jem:

beating a dead horse... that is what you are doing...
I am presenting recent science and studies...

these are 3 studies in the last 3 years. 2 are from NASA...

are you saying these recent studies from NASA are wrong.

You have science showing that more green things and plants do not create more aerosols which block out the sun's energy?

Or are you saying you don't believe in models?

What are you babbling about now. Sheesh pick one red herring at a time.

this is what Nasa actually says.

http://climate.nasa.gov/causes

 

[tradingjournals]

Quote from jem:


I have 4 young kids and I have to give them a chance to have a life with some financial upside.

Whatever your political orientation and your religious beliefs, I truly wish you and them a great future, and a long, a happy, and a healthy life.

To me there is no christian, muslim, jewish, etc, or a republic vs. democrat, there is only a human who seek truth, justice, and better future for humanity. We come to this world with nothing, and leave all material wealth behind. We start with nothing (material), and end with nothing (material). We are born with a body from earth, and as customary in all cultures, our bodies go back to earth.

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from jem:

I have to take the time to stop leftists drone liars... because the left is actively working to crush our economy with debt, cap and trade and and third world transfers of payments via the UN.

In other words he's batshit crazy.