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Quote from axeman:




Isnt it INTERESTING that you didnt address the fact that
the FORGED Josephus quote did NOT appear in earlier
copies of Josephus?!?!?! LOL!



If I'm not mistaken, the earliest copies we have of Josephus date from the 10th or 11th century, by which time they would have all included the Jesus reference ('Testimonium Flavianum'). Of course, that doesn't mean the Testimonium wasn't a later interpolation (or, if you like, 'outright lie'), just that we don't have any copies that don't include it.
 
Quote from damir00:

ok, need to back up a little. virtually every significant belief system on the planet has at its core a small set of tenets that are nearly universal. the golden rule being a prime example.

I'm not saying a broad set of universal ethical values - not at all. I'm talking about core values about who God is and how to get to heaven - apostles creed type of stuff...

Wouldn't this be true for orthodox/conservative/Hasidic Jews as well?
 
Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

Yeah, and this is just about to kill me as I'm dying to "debate" it!

My blood just starts to boil when I read all the side comments and I know if I start insulting back I'll never hear the end of it from axe. :D
There was no need for you to respond that way was there ?
You feel a need to insult?? Why ?? you big wus !

Give me one side comment you are referring to which is out of context in my recent posts to make it worthy of criticizm for making your blood Boil. Debate it . See if you can see past the red mist by trying to understand a reasonable but diametrically opposite viewpoint to yours.
You may learn something. You have previously in other therads. Remember Morowitz? Genesis?:D

If it helps, Jesus was said to have made a Rabbi or two angry, and look what happened to him :D
 
Quote from ShoeshineBoy:
How is what compatible with sola scriptura?

you know what, that's too big a digression for now. i'm more interested in hearing how to reconcile bob jones with the papacy in terms of beliefs.
 
Quote from stu:

There was no need for you to respond that way was there ?
You feel a need to insult?? Why ?? you big wus !

Give me one side comment you are referring to which is out of context in my recent posts to make it worthy of criticizm for making your blood Boil. Debate it . See if you can see past the red mist by trying to understand a reasonable but diametrically opposite viewpoint to yours.
You may learn something. You have previously in other therads. Remember Morowitz? Genesis?:D

If it helps, Jesus was said to have made a Rabbi or two angry, and look what happened to him :D

I don't want to argue about that - what's the point?

But virtually anyone on et would say there is a significant difference between your debating style and that of damir and turok. Both those guys can nail me to the wall without calling me a wus or some other third grade epithet...
 
Quote from damir00:

in my opinion, if i may respectfuly suggest, that's where your thinking goes astray. assuming there is supposed to be some obvious, consistent message from disparate writers scatttered across continents and millenia is about the same as going to home depot, buying hammer, and assuming the CEO of Stanley wants you to build a house with it.

Talmud - basically a record of Jewish arguments over scripture - at one point refers to Tanakh - what c'ians call the "old testament" - as being a collection of stories for women, children and the feeble-minded. yet we preserve it - because the value isn't in the writing, it is in the reading and deconstructing.

scripture isn't going to give you the answers - but you shouldn't expect it to because it was never meant to.

Israel -> "to struggle with G-d".

abraham is important not because he was the "first" monotheist - but because he challenged G-d. because he was the first to demand from G-d a covenant as tought as the one people believed G-d demanded of them. if you want to get ultra-allegorical about it, abraham is important because he is the first to create a god in his own image rather than assume he is a reflection of a godly image.

struggle.

argue.

challenge.

create.

life is not static. anything static -> dies.

beliefs should not be static.

consistency -> staticism.

let go of the idea that scripture is meant to tell you "something" and look at it as a tool to initiate a never-ending process. that there is more than one path is a fundamental tenet of judaism.
Pleeeze come on damir. What else am I doing. Challenge critisize what do you think I am posting?? Luv notes to TradeForChrist or something??? It is the religionist who demands one true God, no arguments, the Bible as a sacrosanct word of God. Whilst at the same time insisting it should be re- interpreted.

Look, if I want allegorical, I leave with a sense of warm and comforting unimportant make believe in my imagination and I read snow white, little red riding hood, santa goes to the north pole. If the Bible is nothing but allegorical, then it is not true just like santa. End of story. All this bending and twisting, lies and deceit, trying to make God fit as a way of life and culture, is unnaceptable.

Asthere is no reason to accept a Stanley hammer as a tool for building a house, I do not see why the hell should I use a Book full of lies and damn lies to build a life.
 
Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

I don't want to argue about that - what's the point?

But virtually anyone on et would say there is a significant difference between your debating style and that of damir and turok. Both those guys can nail me to the wall without calling me a wus or some other third grade epithet...
Grow up shoe you sound like a kid. What is it that you are so scared of ,you can't discuss here?? Me??
 
Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

I'm talking about core values about who God is and how to get to heaven - apostles creed type of stuff...

my understanding is there is no universally accepted version of the apostles creed. in particular, the one a large majority of non-evangelical christians use has the the phrase "holy catholic church", others (as i understand it) may or may not include the bit about "communion of saints", others modify it to say "of all *true* saints" (kind of tautalogical?). etc.

Wouldn't this be true for orthodox/conservative/Hasidic Jews as well?

nope. there is no dogma in judaism. there is no equivalent to the apostles creed. there are no requirements on what a jew is to believe - there is no contradiction in being even as whacked a mixture as chassid and atheist.
 
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