Matcha's Dow E-mini Journal

Quote from Bolimomo:

Engineers don't make good traders.

I know. I am one. Or used to be one for 20+ years.

Because engineers by training need to know "why? why? why???" before they take action. You need to ditch this part of your training/personality in trading. There is no "why". There doesn't need to be a "why". When prices move, TRADE! No asking why!

The "why" is not important. And the true *may* eventually come out.

Come on... Boli..You are not a bad trader la, but you're right about no need to ask 'Why" but "Just do It!' where it comes to trading... the "Why" is not important... it's all about catching the right trend and making $$$$$$$$ :)
 
Quote from dst888:

Quite a few people to my knowledge with engineering background became very successful when they decided to switch to trading as their full time job.
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Of course you are right dst888. :) I was just ranting. There are many engineers, lawyers, doctors, etc. - past or current - who are successful traders dispite the stereotype.

I just felt that sometimes I was too much of an indecisive trader having to satisfy the engineer's inquisitive mind to know "why".
 
Quote from Matcha:

hehe, sis
I wouldn't mind to put the snobbish outfit on!:-p
:D

Oh, I don't like working out at all. Now I just started to go to the gym. Metabolism is slowing down. haha

Good for you! I have darker skin tone. Everytime I am in Hong Kong and China, I feel really weird. All the girls there are so tiny and pale...

Fashion Queen Matcha, you're the California Sunshine type of gal..
'Sun-Tan" & "Hot".. we can feel your 'Super-Heat' here!:cool: the americans will go "ga~ga~" over gal like you.:D

i have crystal clear porcelain fair skin but i am not tiny or pale. ( i might be taller or as tall as u, sweetie! )..i can eat all i want and i don't have to worry about my weight because i love to swim and do yoga:)

honey..you feel weird when you are in Hong Kong or China maybe because you're very "american" in many ways already ...:) :p :D
 
Quote from Bolimomo:

Because engineers by training need to know "why? why? why???" before they take action. You need to ditch this part of your training/personality in trading. There is no "why". There doesn't need to be a "why". When prices move, TRADE! No asking why!

Just wanted to share my view on this. I'm an engineer and I believe I have found trading difficult because of it, although not the reason quoted. Personally I have no problem accepting a trade may or may not work out, my problem has been my need to be clever. I have many times passed on a trade because it was too obvious, easy, and unchallenging.

Spent years focusing on algos with no success, had to force myself with much fighting to to stick to the ridiculously simple, profitable stuff. Anyone else had similar?
 
Quote from davidc123:

Just wanted to share my view on this. I'm an engineer and I believe I have found trading difficult because of it, although not the reason quoted. Personally I have no problem accepting a trade may or may not work out, my problem has been my need to be clever. I have many times passed on a trade because it was too obvious, easy, and unchallenging.

Spent years focusing on algos with no success, had to force myself with much fighting to to stick to the ridiculously simple, profitable stuff. Anyone else had similar?

I'm thinking you might do well to devise some new complex option spread, the Condor-Strangled Iron Butterfly or something like that :D
 
Quote from Matcha:


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Market overnight reaction: broke up the consolidation zone, then sold off. When market opened up it retraced back up 50%, then sold off. I took a quick short position, 6:40 bar, the extra long body. It worked well in the first 50 second, then it was hit by the next long green body bar. By the time, I realized market formed a double bottom pattern, trend is turning to the upside, price has run up 50 Points. Then I waited for a second leg pull back to enter. It was Trade A.
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Matcha:

Just want to provide my view on Friday's movement. Near the opening.

You said a big "gap" down. You thought it was breaking down further. At 6:40... so you shorted.

I think this was a very low-odd play for short. Because:

#1) Typically the ES/YM markets do not continue to run in the gap's direction. This is an important note. More often than not: they do not continue to gap-and-go. Doing a "gap-and-go" bet would have, let me suggest, only 20%-30% chance of being right.

#2) You need to take a look at the longer time-frame (always). Note the recent bullishness of the market. It had already reversed from the Double Top high on Thursday. This morning's gap down happened around the 38% retracement mark. (Anything less than 38% is still quite bullish). It's unlikely that it would gap down and still forge a big down move. You were tricked by a down head fake.

#3) Note that price has already gone through what I call a "1 zig" - which was Thursday's low back to high move... and the overnight gap. So... should be cautious in going short after the morning down-gap. Enclosed is my chart on DIA (proxy of YM).

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Spent years focusing on algos with no success, had to force myself with much fighting to to stick to the ridiculously simple, profitable stuff. Anyone else had similar?

i'm not an engineer, so my motto is always "Keep it Simple".

~simple strategy in trading.
~ "simplicity" is beautiful.
 
Quote from Bolimomo:

PO and Matcha:

An old American saying:

If you can't beat them, then you may as well join them.

Thank you Boli. Great idea to go with the flow in trend trading! :)



Quote from Bolimomo:

Engineers don't make good traders.

I know. I am one. Or used to be one for 20+ years.

Because engineers by training need to know "why? why? why???" before they take action. You need to ditch this part of your training/personality in trading. There is no "why". There doesn't need to be a "why". When prices move, TRADE! No asking why!

The "why" is not important. And the true *may* eventually come out.

Ha Ha :) What an epiphany!!!!! Now, I know why it is so hard for me to become a CP trader for being an engineer by training......



Quote from Matcha:

I heard engineers and lawyers are bad traders. Because they want "certainties". In trading, there are only "high probabilities".

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Got to listen to Matcha that there are no "certainties", only "high probabilites" in trading. Thank you Matcha, you are so smart!



Quote from Bolimomo:

... There are many engineers, lawyers, doctors, etc. - past or current - who are successful traders dispite the stereotype.

I just felt that sometimes I was too much of an indecisive trader having to satisfy the engineer's inquisitive mind to know "why".

Now Boli, I feel better that there is hope for me. :) :)


You all are great! This is the best lesson I've learned for the weekend. After spending extra time to "analyze" my charts for the week, I need to shed this "inquisitive" and "indecisive" mind set and just follow the rules that are necessary for High Probability trading without hesitation.

--po
 
Quote from Bolimomo:

Each trading instrument is different. Observations are very important. You need to examine a given instrument over a period of time. e.g. a couple of months. The intraday day movements. You will get a pretty good feel for the wiggle size, or "rip" size. Some call these "noise" in the price movements. For S&P the typical rip size is about 2 points. So if one sets the trailing stop as 2 points below, there is a good chance of being ripped out, or wiggled out, then the price resumes the original direction. To counteract that: #1) you can increase your stop size. (But this would increase your risks. #2) once you have your direction bias (long or short), you wait until you see price probably has reached the end of the rip before you enter your position, then set your typical stop. This is saver. The down side is you may miss a break out/down. A trade off. Between missing a break, or being ripped.

For Dow (YM) that is typically 20 Dow points I would imagine.

Thanks Boli. I think I am going to keep the 2.5 points initial stop for ES trading and adjust it accordingly after the trade is set in motion. Also, I will wait for that pullback (reaching the end of the rip) so that I can set a tighter stop using the immediate prior low for going long. I think Matcha is doing something similar and practices a tight stop. She is more diligent than I am and don't seem to normally chase the market too far away from the optimal buy/sell point.

I think I need to do a bit more work on this. But this is an important element to preserve my trading capital.

--po
 
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