Matcha's Dow E-mini Journal

Quote from Matcha:

Thank you, PO. Avge Stop size 8-10points, $50. Protective stops are one tick or two ticks about/below swing high/low, so the protective stops sometimes can be large. 12 points. But most of the time I don't wait untill it hits my protective stops. Sometimes it works in my favor that I don't wait until it hits my protective stops, sometime it doesn't... I am still very struggling on my entry....

I use limit orders. I use Matrix(I think it's the DOM order system?) to enter orders. All I do is simply click Buy and Sell the price I want.

BTW, got the book yesterday. Will start to read tomorrow.
Have a great weekend!

Hi Matcha,

Thank you very much for your response regarding the stops. I need to fine tune mine as it is an important part of a trade. Every tick counts. :)

I am glad that you got the book. Hope you like it. I re-read Marcel Link's Chapter 1 on "The Tuition of Trading" tonight. I like the way he put it regarding PPC and cutting losses. The analogy of playing great tennis and trading (pg. 11) is right on. The key to being a winning trader is to play not to lose. "If you hit the ball over the net 4 times, you'll win 80% of the points. Don't worry about winning points. Let the other guy lose them... It's easier to win when you switch your focus from trying to win to trying not to lose..." His tips on cutting losses (on page 12) was funny but also right on - "Handing out $20s" and how it relates to the importance of using protective STOPs to a bad trade.

When I first read his Chapter 1, I did not think too much about what he said on the learning curve that he suggested a trader needs 3 -5 years to get through the learning period. It just takes as much time to get a college degree!!! I thought it doesn't apply to me..... :eek:

Marcel Link also stresses the significance for keeping a trading journal as you have done it here. He also mentioned that paper (SIM) trading is an important step in the training programs of professional trading firms (pg. 19) that new traders don't trade live in their first 3 months but only intensive classroom learning and paper trading. I think you did the right thing on starting out committing the time in SIM trading. This will speed up the learning curve without having to pay too much tuition...

Have a great Sunday!

--po
 
Quote from PatientOperator:

Matcha did a great job in her journal.

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Matcha is such a sweetie and she is intelligent too!:D
what i like most about her ...hmmm, she's smart, funny, and a very filial daughter!:D
 
Quote from PatientOperator:

I used to do mostly limit orders or market orders on the entries. Limit orders can be frustrated at times and can miss a trade all together.

I still use a lot of marketable limit orders, but I think I definitely had 2 or 3 last week move heavily without my order getting filled. I trade crude oil futures which is very different from the stock index futures in that I may be targeting a .30 move and price can easily jump .15-.20 of that in a few seconds. Of course, if I chase an entry it will jump right back and stop me out; if I don't chase an entry, it will continue to move another .80 without me: Murphy's Law of Chasing Trades :D
 
Hi Matcha:

Congratulations, I have not been able to read all your thread but what you are doing is the basis to find a profitable system: a lot of application and leaving a trace of your thoughts and discoveries.

I used to trade YM and now I mostly trade ES, but I have both instruments overlayed in one chart 3 minutes. In both charts add pivots points and yesterday high, low, close, open; today open, high and low, and see how they also act as reversal points or how after they are breached, in any of them, price pulls back to the broken level to retest it and sometimes continues running from there.

I humbly recommend you to add round numbers of YM in your chart, ie. 8600, 8700, 8800 and you will see how price stalls and has problems breaking those levels. At those levels in YM, if YM holds ES will hold too. Next time you will be able to anticipate price reaching 9700 and maybe take a trade from there when you see retests and failure to break it.

I have noticed that pivots levels in ES work better than pivots levels in YM and you will see YM reversing for 'no reason' at the moment ES is reversing or testing its pivots or the other levels, and viceversa.

Those are very low risk entry points, trend and counter trend with caution.

Also I keep track of all the big transactions that happen on ES and YM, to see where the big players want to go. In YM I monitor orders of 20 contracts or more, as confirmation I am entering in a side that is backed by heavy guys.

Wish you the best luck in your trading and also to everybody.

Gerardo

:)
 
Another day full of great opportunities, but I missed some very great setups. Took one failed counter trend trade and chased market on another failed trade. I marked those trades on chart.
I am still over trading a lot. I hope when I am trading 2 contracts, I can hold position longer. I always have my target in place, but I barely wait until the trade hit my target.
I feel like the more I hold the position, the more risk I am taking. With one contract, I just couldn’t wait until the target is hit.

9800 level today was a significant over supply level,(refer to 6/30 chart, order inbalance),price made extended move overnight. The last move(4th wave) was fairly spiky, so 9800 could be the turning point here. After validating the turning point, I have had a short bias. But when price landed on EMA, I contradicted myself, I went long… then I was stopped out. Then I went short, stopped out, Then I went long again, stopped out to b/e. Finally a big trend bar violated the double bottom pattern, I entered short. That was the trade A.

TRADE A: short.
Entry: 9750
Exit: 9728
Re-enter: 9726
Exit: 9708
40pts

TRADE B: taking this trade is a bit struggling too. I was trapped by long before I went short.
Entry: 9636
Exit: 9625
11Pts

Today’s PnL: +$214, 15 Trades, 60% winrate
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Hi, Nodoji.
Can't thank you enough for your time to read my journal and giving me valuable advice! You were one of the reasons I decided to try day-trading. Your journal inspired me a lot too!


Quote from NoDoji:


Al Brooks' book is by far a most difficult read. I would read about 3-4 pages at a time and read those pages several times until I absolutely understood exactly what he was describing and could recognize the setups quickly when doing my daily bar-by-bar analysis (where I hide all but the previous hour or two of a 5-min chart and then reveal one bar at a time until a bar signals a setup)....

I am reading the book the second time. The first time I only can skim over. The second time, I am highlighting the great tips for my future reading. I refer his setup on my daily YM chart too. I hind the right edge and look for set ups bar by bar in history chart too!! I sometimes even draw some setups on papers for me to generate instant reaction when I saw those setups in live market hours. So I don't hesitate whenever I see a setup. I hope I can remember everything and all the logics behind the price actions. I am still trying to connect all the dots together. I think it takes more than another 1000hours screen time for me... Trading like robot is my eventually goal...:-P

Quote from NoDoji:


The best counter-trend trades are off a 3rd or 4th push in a trend. A lot of screen time will eventually guide you to recognizing the counter-trend setups that are actually very high probability. One is a weak 4th push (a failed final breakout); the other is 2-3 strong bars in a final push, starting with the breakout bar (the bar that breaks through the previous high or low and is followed by another strong bar, and sometimes a 3rd). It's the extensive screen time required that makes this type of trade suited to very experienced traders.

Trading with the trend is so much easier and well-suited for everyone (rated G) :)

I am not trading on reversal trades, but I do require myself to "anticipate" and "Identify" the reversals-the turning point. Thanks for great tip, I just started to count waves/pushes a while ago to prepare for the turning point. Sometimes it can get confusing(you would think it's so elementary to count).



Quote from NoDoji:


I agree that the wide stop required by waiting for a 5-min signal bar to close is hard to stomach and often keeps me out of many excellent trades. However, my bar-by-bar backtesting has determined that the stop size is irrelevant because if the setup is a prime setup (with confluence all around), the profit target is usually much larger as well.

I recently added a 1min chart to help me get early entries when I smell a good setup forming. I may sometimes be the early entry trader that gets shaken out, but the stops are so much smaller that it's worth it to me.

See how precise you are, the entry is still my problem. I sometime went in a trade, i just wanted to get out when I saw "red" PnL showing on the Matrix. I believe lots of detail analysis, lots of screen time will eventually help me get rid of the problem. Plus I heard "the worst fill is the best trade"!

Quote from NoDoji:



I personally carry bugs back outside when I find them. Even teeny tiny bugs. But I will play with spiders and snakes so can't quite consider myself a girly girl.


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Quote from PatientOperator:

Hi Matcha,

Thank you very much for your response regarding the stops. I need to fine tune mine as it is an important part of a trade. Every tick counts. :)

I am glad that you got the book. Hope you like it. I re-read Marcel Link's Chapter 1 on "The Tuition of Trading" tonight. I like the way he put it regarding PPC and cutting losses. The analogy of playing great tennis and trading (pg. 11) is right on. The key to being a winning trader is to play not to lose. "If you hit the ball over the net 4 times, you'll win 80% of the points. Don't worry about winning points. Let the other guy lose them... It's easier to win when you switch your focus from trying to win to trying not to lose..." His tips on cutting losses (on page 12) was funny but also right on - "Handing out $20s" and how it relates to the importance of using protective STOPs to a bad trade.

When I first read his Chapter 1, I did not think too much about what he said on the learning curve that he suggested a trader needs 3 -5 years to get through the learning period. It just takes as much time to get a college degree!!! I thought it doesn't apply to me..... :eek:

Marcel Link also stresses the significance for keeping a trading journal as you have done it here. He also mentioned that paper (SIM) trading is an important step in the training programs of professional trading firms (pg. 19) that new traders don't trade live in their first 3 months but only intensive classroom learning and paper trading. I think you did the right thing on starting out committing the time in SIM trading. This will speed up the learning curve without having to pay too much tuition...

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--po
The book is a great and pleasure reading. I liked it!
In order to be a master, you got to achieve 10,000 hours, it takes 4 years to study/work fulltime to master the skill. So 3-5years is the right time frame to learn how to trade. But in this career, 10,000 is not garenteed to be a CP trader... There are so much emotions to deal with. One blow out could wipe out everything. So we have to tell ourself as we learn, control risk, place stop, control limit loss.
But I think we can do it! Even though I might need to go back to full time job, Eventually I believe can make as a trader. I don't give up easily.
To avoid some major blow out, I need to stay in SIM. To tell you the truth, when I first started to look at the market, that was last April, I had no idea there is such thing called sim. There is such thing called stops. I thought Fundamental Analysis is the way to succeed in trading. I bought a book called fundamental analysis, I analyzed JPM, HP, CSCO and a whol bunch others I heard from TVs. I also briefly studied Benjamin Gramhan's formulas on stock future value. I did all the stupid forcast for each companies with "realistic" projections. I purchased those names last May, they did go up at one point. So I made some profits. I thought myself was a Hero at that time. Then I repurchased some other stocks in July, based all on my ridiculous fundamental analysis. Until December, all my stocks didn't do anything. So I was a little discouraged. One day, Friend's friend's friend who is a so called guru told me to buy some options, so I totally listened. I bought whole bunch of naked puts. In January, all the options went to 0 value. At that time, I was just traveling in Asia. My dream of shopping like a queen there went to toilet too. After I came back from trip, I thought that this is not the way to trade. My porfolio shrunk 25% over a month! Then I started to do research on trading and realized trading is the most difficult career in the world. Technical anaysis is the key to success.
Now I am thinking everything back, the blow out could be the best thing ever happened to me. If at that time, I did make a lot of profits from those options and stocks, I would have probably lost 50% or even 80% now because I would have put down more money.
I will have to still stay in SIM for a while... because I know I am still not ready yet...As you said, focus on loss first.
 
Nice meeting you here Gerado! Thanks for compliment!
I am glad I am on the right track to learn.
Thank you for reminding me to add round numbers, I did today. I once read about how people pschological reacted to those round numbers, but I just never apply those numbers.
Very interesting about the order flow reading. I would pay more attention to that!




Quote from gcabrera:

Hi Matcha:

Congratulations, I have not been able to read all your thread but what you are doing is the basis to find a profitable system: a lot of application and leaving a trace of your thoughts and discoveries.

I used to trade YM and now I mostly trade ES, but I have both instruments overlayed in one chart 3 minutes. In both charts add pivots points and yesterday high, low, close, open; today open, high and low, and see how they also act as reversal points or how after they are breached, in any of them, price pulls back to the broken level to retest it and sometimes continues running from there.

I humbly recommend you to add round numbers of YM in your chart, ie. 8600, 8700, 8800 and you will see how price stalls and has problems breaking those levels. At those levels in YM, if YM holds ES will hold too. Next time you will be able to anticipate price reaching 9700 and maybe take a trade from there when you see retests and failure to break it.

I have noticed that pivots levels in ES work better than pivots levels in YM and you will see YM reversing for 'no reason' at the moment ES is reversing or testing its pivots or the other levels, and viceversa.

Those are very low risk entry points, trend and counter trend with caution.

Also I keep track of all the big transactions that happen on ES and YM, to see where the big players want to go. In YM I monitor orders of 20 contracts or more, as confirmation I am entering in a side that is backed by heavy guys.

Wish you the best luck in your trading and also to everybody.

Gerardo

:)
 
Quote from ~~~:

Matcha is such a sweetie and she is intelligent too!:D
what i like most about her ...hmmm, she's smart, funny, and a very filial daughter!:D

wow, that doesn't sound like me.. thank you!
 
Quote from Matcha:

Thank you for reminding me to add round numbers, I did today. I once read about how people pschological reacted to those round numbers, but I just never apply those numbers.

Today I took $550 off a trade when it pivoted from just below the round number after putting in a significant new low. I assumed it would put in the round number bounce and I'd re-short there. No. The thing ended up crashing and then I kept thinking it had fallen too far to short. If I'd simply managed the trade using textbook with-trend trade management, I would've been in the trade for another $1100, simply trailing a stop at the high of each closed bar.

When you're trading with the trend, let the trend - not round numbers nor S/R or nor MACD nor Mr. Elliot Keltner Fibonacci - be your friend!
 
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