Massive VXX implosion is possible today

Quote from Nine_Ender:

I thought volatility reflects pace of change, not direction. If markets spiked up suddenly, wouldn't VXX go up ? Or am I misunderstanding something here ?

There is flood control on the interwebs, so I'll just say that it's path-dependent and lol to your question.

Shortie: Spot is 700bp over VXX pseudo-CMS (blended front month futs), so it's not going to approach 100 delta on a rally in SPX. I agree that spot is going to 36 in short order, so maybe 32 on VXX. The roll will keep it under 50 deltas.
 
Manipulation of VXX is to keep people confused, while insiders scoop all the shares they want. When that's done, VXX will drop and the common crowd can have the left-overs and crumbs...
 
Quote from shortie:

VXX is not the spot volatility rather it is a trading instrument loosely connected to VIX which is the projected volatility 2(?) months away. does a spike up in the market today indicate we will have the same level of volatility as in the last few days? of course not. so there must be some other explanation for VXX persistence

A spike up could mean we have higher volatility in some situations. For example, what kind of volatility levels existed on Nasdaq stocks in the late 1990s ?

I'm not that familiar with VIX/VXX so this is why I ask.
 
Quote from pattern39:

Manipulation of VXX is to keep people confused, while insiders scoop all the shares they want. When that's done, VXX will drop and the common crowd can have the left-overs and crumbs...

Maybe get some insight into the pricing dynamics.
 
Quote from atticus:

There is flood control on the interwebs, so I'll just say that it's path-dependent and lol to your question.

Shortie: Spot is 700bp over VXX pseudo-CMS (blended front month futs), so it's not going to approach 100 delta on a rally in SPX. I agree that spot is going to 36 in short order, so maybe 32 on VXX. The roll will keep it under 50 deltas.

Buddy, try canning your dumb ass routine and answer the question in a knowledgeable fashion. Or just shut up. Honestly,
what is your problem ?
 
Quote from Nine_Ender:

Buddy, try canning your dumb ass routine and answer the question in a knowledgeable fashion. Or just shut up. Honestly,
what is your problem ?

I did. Ur dum. Next question?
 
Quote from Nine_Ender:

I'm very familiar with options; basically an increased VIX would indicate option sellers want more premium to make up for the increased risk of rapid one way movements in the market.

The source of confusion for me is Shortie continually relates higher VIX levels with rapidly falling markets. While that might be the case most of the time, I always thought it worked in both directions. Why would call sellers want to sell cheaply if the possibility of a sudden market rise was heightened ?

I've seen it argued that the VIX could rise with a rising market, I've just never seen it happen to any extent. Do you have any examples where it did? My guess is the difference has to do with the differences between greed and fear, but then I focus more on what the markets do rather then trying too hard to understand why they do what they do.

Offhand the closest example I can think of to a "crash" up was spring 2009. For the 3 months from March 9th, SPY gained 40% while the VIX lost 40%.

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=SPY&p=D&st=2009-1-1&en=2009-7-1&id=p14019836768
 
Quote from dwpeters:

I've seen it argued that the VIX could rise with a rising market, I've just never seen it happen to any extent. Do you have any examples where it did? My guess is the difference has to do with the differences between greed and fear, but then I focus more on what the markets do rather then trying too hard to understand why they do what they do.

Offhand the closest example I can think of to a "crash" up was spring 2009. For the 3 months from March 9th, SPY gained 40% while the VIX lost 40%.

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=SPY&p=D&st=2009-1-1&en=2009-7-1&id=p14019836768

I was trying to relate VIX behaviour to options pricing behaviour and I don't think its worth pursueing.

With respect to options, what I do is track fairly recent prices at certain levels to ensure I'm not overpaying premium or spread due to temporary blips in price ( for whatever reason including implied volatility ). Its very easy to take a bad price if you are impatient and don't have perspective on recent prices.
 
Quote from Nine_Ender:

A spike up could mean we have higher volatility in some situations. For example, what kind of volatility levels existed on Nasdaq stocks in the late 1990s ?

I'm not that familiar with VIX/VXX so this is why I ask.

In the run from Nov 99 thru March, the VXN (Nasdaq volatility index rose about the same as QQQ did. At the same time the VIX was mostly flat. VXN showed fear and the market was right to be fearful. So the question is whether the market is right to be fearful now. Only time will tell.

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=QQQ&p=D&st=1999-1-1&en=2000-4-1&id=p48531045226
 
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