Mass media seems intent on making sure Trump fails

[fhl]

The insurance industry can't make obamacare work and they're quitting it because they lose money. Sky high premiums they charge and yet they still lose money.

So what happens if there's a public option? They, govt, make the premiums actually affordable? If they do, why would anyone take a policy from an insurance company? Out of business.

But how can a public option make it more affordable? They can't with any honest accounting of costs. They're less efficient than the private sector and they aren't going to reduce regulations. Less regulations on health care if the gov't does it? Seems like a joke to me.
They'll bury the massive costs onto the taxpayer. And try to hide it in some way. And then when that doesn't work, death panels. Denial of service just like we read about in other countries.
The rich will go on medical vacations offshore to get what they want done and everyone else will suffer.

With regard to the gop all voting against obamacare, I have a different take on it.
They democrats couldn't get two votes for it because they didn't need two votes. If they would have needed two votes from the GOP, they would have gotten two votes. Two members from safe districts would have had the go ahead from the GOP leaders to do it without reprisal.
The Chamber of Commerce wanted it and that means GOP leadership would have let a few members cross over and vote for Obamacare if it were needed. The whole unanimous vote against Obamcare was a pretend fight. Trick the base.
Chamber of Commerce didn't back ObamaCare repeal bill | TheHill

Obamacare's Surprising New Ally: The Chamber Of Commerce

 

[java]

I don't think it was the lobbyists the democrats feared. I think they feared a vote for the public option would turn them into a lobbyist.

 

[piezoe]

We are talking about medicare. I'm going deep before the beginning. Man vs Government good intentions. It takes a thousand rules to prevent man from doing what comes naturally. And two thousand to grease the right palms.

This will come as a surprise perhaps, but I find, as a patient, medicare paper work is no burden at all. I'm guessing for providers it's not quite so simple. No doubt there is lots of paperwork associated with compliance, certifications, etc. Most of the provider complaints with regard to medicaid and medicare seem to center on reimbursement rates. The bigger headaches for providers seem to emanate from the private insurers. It seems a lot of medical paperwork involves patient records and covering one's ass legally. Why not ask your providers for their opinions?

 

[piezoe]

But how can a public option make it more affordable?

Were I seeking an answer to that question, I'm not sure that the American Chamber of Commerce is where I would start. Why not go to the experts to get your answer?; all the other developed countries of the world.

 

[java]

This will come as a surprise perhaps, but I find, as a patient, medicare paper work is no burden at all. I'm guessing for providers it's not quite so simple. No doubt there is lots of paperwork associated with compliance, certifications, etc. Most of the provider complaints with regard to medicaid and medicare seem to center on reimbursement rates. The bigger headaches for providers seem to emanate from the private insurers. It seems a lot of medical paperwork involves patient records and covering one's ass legally. Why not ask your providers for their opinions?

My provider doesn't accept any insurance. He quit accepting shortly after he practiced in France for two years. About $60 for an office visit, same day you call for appointment.

 

[piezoe]

They, govt, make the premiums actually affordable? If they do, why would anyone take a policy from an insurance company?

In countries with single payer, there is usually also a market for private insurers. Medicare in the U.S., for example, has created a huge market for private supplemental insurance to cover the 20% that medicare does not cover. And the medicare part D coverage has proved to be an absolute gold mine for private insurers, so much so that one wonders if that wasn't part D's intention all along. I have part D. I pay the premium but I don't use it. Like thousands of other Americans, I get all my drugs from Canada where I pay exactly half , including shipping, what I would out of pocket in the U.S. for the same drug using my insurance. I have the insurance as meager protection against catastrophic costs in case I get prescribed a drug that is not permitted to be shipped from foreign sources.

 

[piezoe]

My provider doesn't accept any insurance. He quit accepting shortly after he practiced in France for two years. About $60 for an office visit, same day you call for appointment.

That pretty much answers all your questions, I would think. And it seems you have the right answers too!

 

[fhl]

In countries with single payer, there is usually also a market for private insurers. Medicare in the U.S., for example, has created a huge market for private supplemental insurance to cover the 20% that medicare does not cover. And the medicare part D coverage has proved to be an absolute gold mine for private insurers, so much so that one wonders if that wasn't part D's intention all along. I have part D. I pay the premium but I don't use it. Like thousands of other Americans, I get all my drugs from Canada where I pay exactly half , including shipping, what I would out of pocket in the U.S. for the same drug using my insurance. I have the insurance as meager protection against catastrophic costs in case I get prescribed a drug that is not permitted to be shipped from foreign sources.

Actually, the gov't medical care that you receive is financed partly by you, partly by the taxpayer. No wonder you're happy with it.

"Historically, taxpayers, through payroll taxes and general revenues, have funded about 88 percent of Medicare’s total costs in any given year. The 2.9 percent payroll tax on workers’ wages is mandatory, and its revenues are earmarked for Medicare Part A, the Hospital Insurance (HI) program. Taxpayers, through general revenue transfers, finance 75 percent of the funding for Medicare physician services (Part B) and drug coverage (Part D). Beneficiary premiums finance the remaining 25 percent of these medical costs. In sharp contrast to Medicare Part A, Medicare Parts B and D are voluntary programs. No person is forced to enroll and pay the taxpayer-subsidized premiums."

The level of care you and other medicare recipients get over and above what you've paid for is rather large. Just examine the medical portions of this chart.

But even with the taxpayer subsidizing your care, you can't get the level of health care that is required. So you have a supplemental policy you pay for on top of that!

Iow, the gov't plan cannot meet your health needs, even when there are rather large taxpayer subsidies. You still need a supplement.

The system you advocate does nothing to bring the cost of health care down. It just allows the recipients to obtain more health care than they are paying for and fleecing someone else to do it.

It's no wonder that medicare recipients are generally happy with the system since they're getting their health care partly on the backs of others.

Can you see that if this same system were applied to the general population there is nobody outside the plan to be fleeced to subsidize the recipients? Because everyone would need a subsidy. And I didn't even need the Chamber of Commerce to help me come to that conclusion. I fingered that out all by myself. Shazzam!

 

[piezoe]

and fleecing someone else to do it.

No it is not someone else, it's you sucker! You can't imagine the pleasure I get from knowing you are being "fleeced' by me. I, just like your buddy Trump, am brilliant in the way I am taking advantage of you suckers. Ha ha ha, sucker!

 

[Tom B]

No it is not someone else, it's you sucker! You can't imagine the pleasure I get from knowing you are being "fleeced' by me. I, just like your buddy Trump, am brilliant in the way I am taking advantage of you suckers. Ha ha ha, sucker!

You sound like a Democrat from Mississippi.