Market Wizards

Quote from darkhorse:

I can't give you that, but I can give you some food for thought from the big dog (PTJ interview):

"Q: How would you describe your general investment philosophy?

A: I think I am the single most conservative investor on earth in the sense that I absolutely hate losing money. My grandfather told me at a very early age that you are only worth what you can write a check for tomorrow, so the concept of having my net worth tied up in a stock a la Bill Gates, though God almighty it would be a great problem to have, it would be something that’s just anathema to me and that’s one reason that I’ve always liked the futures market so much, because you can generally get liquid and be in cash in literally the space of a few minutes. So that always appealed to me because I could always be liquid very quickly if I wanted to. I’d say that my investment philosophy is that I don’t take a lot of risk, I look for opportunities with tremendously skewed reward-risk opportunities. Don’t ever let them get into your pocket - that means there’s no reason to leverage substantially. There’s no reason to take substantial amounts of financial risk ever, because you should always be able to find something where you can skew the reward risk relationship so greatly in your favor that you can take a variety of small investments with great reward risk opportunities that should give you minimum draw down pain and maximum upside opportunities.

Q: How do you measure your performance?

A: You’ve got to look at good traders historically. If a trader can on average annually deliver two to three times their worst draw down, then that’s a very good track record, and I’d say that that’s what I try to do. If I thought that for the funds that I managed that 10% would be the worst that I would tolerate in a given year then hopefully I’d annualize two or three times that and that’s probably what I’ve done. Maybe a little below that in the ‘90’s and a little above that in the ‘80’s.

Q: What’s your competitive advantage as a trader?

A: The secret to being successful from a trading perspective is to have an indefatigable and an undying and unquenchable thirst for information and knowledge. Because I think there are certain situations where you can absolutely understand what motivates every buyer and seller and have a pretty good picture of what’s going to happen. And it just requires an enormous amount of grunt work and dedication to finding all possible bits of information.

You pick an instrument and there’s whole variety of benchmarks, things that you look at when trading a particular instrument whether it’s a stock or a commodity or a bond. There’s a fundamental information set that you acquire with regard to each particular asset class and then you overlay a whole host of technical indicators and that’s how you make a decision. It doesn’t make any difference whether it’s pork bellies or Yahoo. At the end of the day, it’s all the same. You need to understand what factors you need to have at your disposal to develop a core competency to make a legitimate investment decision in that particular asset class. And then at the end of the day, the most important thing is how good are you at risk control. Ninety-percent of any great trader is going to be the risk control. "

Yeh I've read that interview and it seems to me that PTJ is not a true Macro speculator. For instance, he mentions that he's not the best person to ask about the stockmarket because it's not his "core competency".

My understanding of Macro trading is using top-down research to develop a view on an economic trend, then using the capital markets to exploit that view, whether i'd be stocks, bonds, currencies etc.

So I think PTJ more of a "Managed Futures" type guy.

So I was guessing - when you said macro trader - that you trade more like George Soros. I presumed that you make investment decisions based on broad economic trends and use technical analysis for positioning. If that's correct, I don't understand why you can't discuss general macroeconomics with me on this board.
 
Quote from OneHipCat:


If that's correct, I don't understand why you can't discuss general macroeconomics with me on this board.


I think you'll agree it's a very open ended request for a very broad and deep subject (not to mention one that has little to do with a "market wizards" thread).

If you have a specific topic of interest in mind, I'd suggest posting it in the economics forum. If you want to learn how to think like a macro trader, there are plenty of books and resources available to help you synthesize your own style and approach. It sounds like you're already on your way.
 
Quote from darkhorse:

Ugh- no offense but that looks awful...

"The market is a mathematical hypothesis. The best solutions to it are the elegant and the simple."
-Soros

Q

GABRIEL BURSTEIN, PhD, was a macro proprietary trader with Goldman Sachs. He currently heads Specialized Equity Sales & Trading at Daiwa Europe Ltd., London, a group he set up to sell European equity products to hedge funds based on long/short macro and relative-value ideas. He is a frequent speaker on new long/short macro strategies and the EMU at worldwide alternative investment and hedge fund conferences. Dr. Burstein received his PhD in mathematics from Imperial College of the University of London. He has had several papers published in mathematical control theory and in mathematical modeling in neurology, neuroendocrinology, and HIV immunology.

UQ

Would like to understand anything wrong with his macro approach, as you know. :confused:
 
Quote from Cutten:

A British trader called Joe Lewis built up a fortune of a couple of billion dollars and is/was one of the biggest individual currency speculators in the world. However, he had business interests before he became a speculator, and has built up stakes in various companies over the years, so it is not clear how much of his fortune is from trading. I would imagine his trading profits are at least $500 million (<25% of his net worth).

This guy sounds interesting. He's supposedly Britain's fourth wealthiest man and one link

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,27-960196,00.html

calls him a "property billionaire" so I wonder if he built up much of his fortune through real estate.

I guess what's amazing to me is that he was obviously highly successful in 2+ fields of financial endeavor.

Here's a question that is interesting to me personally: anybody else heard of a trader that was highly successful in other related (or unrelated for that matter) fields?
 
This guy is really interesting the more I read about him. He's reclusive and has a 40 million pound yacht and once paid 1.3 million pounds to play golf with Tiger! He built up his fortune with various leisure business enterprises including a chain of pubs and a resort.

I don't think I've ever heard of a successful business person jumping into trading and doing well...Here's the link if anyone is interested:

http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2001/03/04/story297489.asp

And he was a high school drop out for trivia:

http://www.education-reform.net/dropouts2_text.htm

And, for what it's worth, several internet blurbs say that he has earned over 1 billion pounds at currency trading which is most of his fortune...

 
Quote from ShoeshineBoy:



calls him a "property billionaire" so I wonder if he built up much of his fortune through real estate.

I guess what's amazing to me is that he was obviously highly successful in 2+ fields of financial endeavor.

Here's a question that is interesting to me personally: anybody else heard of a trader that was highly successful in other related (or unrelated for that matter) fields?

If he uses macro/fundemental stratagies then it would be the same field. For instance, if he thought the Bank of England would lower interest rates then he could buy property or short the GBP.
 
Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

calls him a "property billionaire" so I wonder if he built up much of his fortune through real estate.

Actually Cutten has already mentioned a very good idea on this possibility.

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As a trader, unless you are involved fully in stocks, you have loads of cash sitting around doing nothing. You can put say 50% into property deals and investments, and use leverage to crank up the returns. Then you have trading return on capital, in addition to real estate return on capital. That can result in extremely high compound rates.

UQ

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=477864#post477864

:cool:
 
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