market manipulation is there really difference?

Bad_Badness said:
Different players and different reasons. Think of it this way, any shop has a quiver of ways to make money. Question is, is it enough money to bother with, are there better places, who is doing it, the veterans or the interns, how ripe are the opportunities now versus later.

So in the details you will find the specifics. And in those specifics you will find which are action-able and which are not.

Penny stocks take small amount of funds to move the price. But also don't have much "meat on the bone" either. It is a matter of $/effort/results.

So again, generalization, rarely help you trading and are rarely actionable.
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It's a liquidity thing is what you are trying to get at.
 
Bad_Badness said:
Different players and different reasons. Think of it this way, any shop has a quiver of ways to make money. Question is, is it enough money to bother with, are there better places, who is doing it, the veterans or the interns, how ripe are the opportunities now versus later.

So in the details you will find the specifics. And in those specifics you will find which are action-able and which are not.

Penny stocks take small amount of funds to move the price. But also don't have much "meat on the bone" either. It is a matter of $/effort/results.

So again, generalization, rarely help you trading and are rarely actionable.
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Good ;
+ sure ,most any could dump a liquidity leader like SPY in \SEPT, almost always LOL.
NOT a prediction;
last, specific SPY\SEPT $404.44\ to $357 area:D:D. SPYG about 10% of that but bigger drawdowns maybe..........
2]Seldom if ever, does one see a custom made bow cheap;
especially Fred Bear brand ,
especially Ben Pearson brand,
especially PSE brand........ Many of those are faster.
777] A a good auction price but lower volume LOL; Annie Moses Oakey Parker Bros 16/sold for $293,000.Another of hers same 16 size, sold for $143,400.
So even good quality can vary widely, low volume , they still use auction.
 
2rosy said:
hedge funds are not called market makers
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Yes... Pure hedge funds are NOT market makers and they SHOULD NOT BE... But in the real world... Citadel, Virtu, Jane Street, and many of the top Hedgies ARE market makers...

Cha-Ching... Influence money runs politics and "politics" runs the world...
 
EdgeHunter said:
Yes... Pure hedge funds are NOT market makers and they SHOULD NOT BE... But in the real world... Citadel, Virtu, Jane Street, and many of the top Hedgies ARE market makers...

Cha-Ching... Influence money runs politics and "politics" runs the world...
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citadel has both an asset manager (hedge fund) and separately a broker dealer (market maker). i think virtu and jane street are only market makers/ trade their own money. name a hedge fund that is a market maker. or better, define market maker.
 
2rosy said:
citadel has both an asset manager (hedge fund) and separately a broker dealer (market maker). i think virtu and jane street are only market makers/ trade their own money. name a hedge fund that is a market maker. or better, define market maker.
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Both Jane and Citadel and others are Market Maker Hedgies... Quit splitting hairs for no reason... Life is too short. I AGREED with you and then only modified it...

https://www.google.com/search?q=is+...J8FmAMAkgcENy4zNaAH9-wB&sclient=gws-wiz-video
 
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EdgeHunter said:
Is Jane Street a prop/hedge firm?
https://www.janestreet.com/what-we-do/overview/

We are a global liquidity provider and trading firm that uses sophisticated quantitative analysis and a deep understanding of market mechanics to help keep prices consistent and reliable.

Global Liquidity Provider = Market Maker...

and Optiver...

https://www.google.com/search?q=is+...YnwWYAwCSBwQzLjI2oAfSuAE&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

any more pettiness ?
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Yes a market maker. Clearly why I posted the link.

I wouldn't want to interrupt you from being angry ... at whatever.
 
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