Manipulator defined?

bungrider · Feb 16, 2003

Quote from illiquid:

So I guess shorts scrambling in pain and puking out their positions would fall under that category too?

that's most of the people on this board, so yes, they would fit that category..

harrytrader · Feb 16, 2003

Market officials say it's impossible to manipulate the market so stop with these bullshits

Quote from qdz2:

How do you define manipulator?

I Missed Boat · Feb 16, 2003

Quote from qdz2:

apparently, you and i have different view on various market participates. To me, those you mentioned (including who you refereed to as "real buyers") are both manipulators, but just different kinds and sizes. My standard of justification is that their execution strategies move the market to a extension regardless if they do it intentionally or unintentionally.

Oh, I should not just say maniuplators are strong hands. I meant those big especially queen-size manipulators.

If it is unintentional, then one is not "manipulating" the market. The reason that stocks move significantly is because people or instituations view a stock as over or under valued, rightly or wrongly. It is speculation, and common perceptions one way or the other (over or undervalue) lead to the stock moving one way or the other. In other words, a stock only moves significantly BECAUSE of people buying or selling, and this is the whole point to the market (to try to get an accurate gauge for the value of a company, and in the process provide investment capital for the companies most worthy of it).

big_jdez · Feb 16, 2003

Something that isn't talked about often is how option market makers play games with stocks trying to get filled on their option orders. Like driving a stock down with huge size in order to get filled on the options side.

bone · Feb 16, 2003

I puke on average once per day. I take a loss every day. Do I start a thread on this board and piss and moan about it? No.

If you feel like you're being victimized, and it's not your fault for the losses, then you have no right calling yourself a trader. Comes with the territory.

Try a safer profession. You're not cut out for it. Nobody's handing out free money here. Move on. If you can't take on risk and accept both edges of the sword, then quit. Don't blame me and every other market participant for your problems.

Baby.

larrylivingston · Feb 17, 2003

this is to qdz2... you use the word hope...you say you get in and "HOPE" the market or manipulators move the market for you...your terminology is scarey...there is absolutely no place for "hope" in a professional trading business...your problem is not manipulators it is your own market psychology...change the psychology i beg you...your playing a suckers game and although i make my money off of many of such sucker ill make an exception here...if you cant spot the sucker buddy...you are the sucker

qdz2 · Feb 17, 2003

Bone, I suggest you go to see a psychiatrist as you have the tendency to imagine that everyone except you is whining loser.

Quote from bone:

I puke on average once per day. I take a loss every day. Do I start a thread on this board and piss and moan about it? No.

Baby.

qdz2 · Feb 17, 2003

Gimme a break, larry. Do not try to be a hypocrites who is deeply brain-washed. Do not even deny that initial hope when you are trading an odd marginally deviated from 50%. There is one exception. That is except you are a confident manipulator knowing you can move it the way you want.

Quote from larrylivingston:

this is to qdz2... you use the word hope...you say you get in and "HOPE" the market or manipulators move the market for you...your terminology is scarey...there is absolutely no place for "hope" in a professional trading business...your problem is not manipulators it is your own market psychology...change the psychology i beg you...your playing a suckers game and although i make my money off of many of such sucker ill make an exception here...if you cant spot the sucker buddy...you are the sucker

dcunited · Feb 17, 2003

'hope' is a four letter word.

MondoTrader · Feb 17, 2003

Manipulators are those that seek to control a market rather than ride the market like everbody else. By this definition, manipulators are simply the biggest fish in the fish bowl and they push the others around by their size. As individuals we are minnows swimming with whales and sharks and if you can't hande that then just buy mutual funds.