Making money using price action is impossible

Guys,

Getting back to the college theme ... don't forget that Price Action, PA and PASR are all just forms of TA (subsets for you math wizzes).
 
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The answer is it doesn't mean anything. If it does go higher it's not because the frequency is faster, the alternating favors one direction, or because real-time volume increases only when the alternating goes higher on a support. It only goes higher because of the support zone.

Price only goes higher when more people want to buy than want to sell. This moves the price higher as buyers take the offer and sellers realize they may be able to get a better price and ask more. This is "price action" and it leaves behind a footprint in the form of price bars.

The footprints the price action leaves behind may look exactly like the footprints you saw last time you encountered a bull. "Hey, I've seen these footprints before! There's a bull up ahead!" you say. And you take the offer because the bull appears to be running hard and you want to catch it and run with it.

Or you wait for the bull to come back toward you instead of chasing it because you've seen those bulls circle back around a lot, coming a little closer and then you grab it and go as it charges ahead again.

TA allows you to recognize things that crowds do often again and again and price action confirms that it's happening yet again, hey ho let's go!
 
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So out of this definition follows price action is real-time. This means there are no backtests possible and you have to believe people on their words you can make money with the magical guru-technique of "watching price action"



So you use technical analysis and money management to create a set-up and just price action for confirmation. Sounds to me you're making money not because of price action, but despite it.

If price action can only be spotted in real-time then break down the movement of the so called price action.

An example you have price at 900, it can move to 900.25 or 899.75 the two possiblities of the range. 900 is a support zone.
Those are the only two possibilities when price is 900.
Then you have the frequency at which it alternates between two prices like 900 and 900.25.
frequency and range are the only two possible attributes of price action, if you discard real-time volume.

However frequency and range do not predict movement of price in anyway. Let's take the example price goes from 902 to 900 fast, stalls at 900, and alternates fast between 900 and 899.75. The alternating to 900+ from 899.75 goes faster than vice versa. Does this mean price wants to go higher?

The answer is it doesn't mean anything. If it does go higher it's not because the frequency is faster, the alternating favors one direction, or because real-time volume increases only when the alternating goes higher on a support. It only goes higher because of the support zone.

Technical analysis trumphs price action, and you know it.:cool:

Scalping for ticks is one thing & is a very difficult skill to learn, but if you review, properly, support & resistance zones on weekly/monthly charts, then you will realise that price action based trading is not "...impossible". If you can see logic in historical charts, then you can derive logic & implement it, if you don't see logic in historical charts then indeed it is "impossible".
 
Muni ETFs involve the majority of my trading. Generally they are not liquid, so I have to buy at bid & sell at ask...just like the big boys. OR, I'm buying when you want to sell, and selling when you want to buy.
From my prospective, pivots are caused from a lack of sellers(No Supply) and no buyers(No Demand). It's really that simple...
 
price action is identifying the intentions of the executions you are wathing- once you know their intentions, profit from it however you can, by pointing out their weakness, or following their plan.-- i prefer to point out the weak links
 
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All the time I keep hearing about people trying to make money using price action, here on ET. However I have to remind you guys it is impossible to make money using price action.

Price action does not predict the future, nor does it provide a risk/reward set-up.

The only thing that can do that is technical analysis and money management. Whenever a guru talks about teaching you price action, they lie. :mad: Price action is one of the most undefined areas of trading which means nobody knows what price action actually is. Since everybody has a different definition for price action it means price action, unlike tape reading, is a NON-existing occurence in the futures markets. All "price action" is random movement.

What should you do with this information? First of all not give any money to people who promise to teach you price action. Second you should never attempt to learn "price action". The fact that it's undefined means you could waste 10 years of your life learning something that is not price action at all. But that is the only 100% outcome, since price action does not exist.
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lol, I must be a super hero then since I'm doing the "impossible". I keep a journal online as many PA traders do. Anywith with the slightest ambition could easily look them up. Some of the journals, including mine, call trades in foresight for the next day as well as posting charts at the end of the day.

Sorry, but you have to understand how funny this sounds to those of us who do it every day. I wish you luck, but you may want to reconsider :)
 
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Just because you think price thinks it is going somewhere does not mean it will.



Very true, now what/how can you do to put the odds in your favor.



You don't have to take every trade take the "A" trades.
 
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price action is identifying the intentions of the executions you are wathing- once you know their intentions, profit from it however you can, by pointing out their weakness, or following their plan.-- i prefer to point out the weak links



exactly


learn your opponent and what they are going to do -- which is based on their emotions

and then exploit them

treat it like a game of poker

instead of trading the chart trade the other traders

but

everything one would want to know is displayed perfectly by PA

to say there is no way to trade it by itself is just stupid
 
My turning point as a trader came when I realised that I had no idea what was going to happen. That's when I began to only trade what I saw. I look for the exact same set ups every time, and every time I see them I pull the trigger. That's because I know that had this been done for the last 50 years I would have made money each and every month, and it's worked well for the last three years, and until I stop making money, I'll just keep doing it. The problem for most traders is that they're obsessed with catching the big moves. Every one is trying to get the same thing, so almost noone gets it. Just find something that works, bores the hell out of you, and just keep doing it.
 
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