Making JH' SCT and all his material alive
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I need this :
Let's say each price bar related to each volume bar is included into the same trend AND each pC allows to measure volume.
Bar 1 : P1 is ass
Bar 2 : Vol is DEC so T1
Bar 3 : Vol is INC AND below P1 so P2. A-band passes and is active now.
Bar 4 : Vol is DEC AND is above T1 : so T2P. B-band passes and is active now.
Bar 5 : it can end in five different zones. I wanna solve each possibility and explore them to the deepest. The following is not in the order from 1 to 5 because I want first to expose what I'm sure about.
The bar 4 will be bar.1 and the 5th bar (which is a shadow here) will be bar.0
r
Pragmatically, we're here in the " four bars context"
1) zone 3 : We have P1 above P2. We are after T2P. So, according to the volume element ranges sheet (VERS), explicitely T2P and T2F are gated. P1 is killed. All this is explicitely defined in the VERS.
If volume ends in zone 3, we will have vol INC. We can either have a volume element and this will mean the trend continues, or we'll have an EE and the trend will be over.
In terms of volume elements :
- being as we're after T2P, we know P1 is killed. T1 is killed after P2 onward.
- Is it the case ? -> yes, being as we've come until T2P. So T1 is killed also. So, no P1, no T1. - What is after that in the OOE ? -> P2.
- What are the necessary requirements for P2 repeat ? -> volume must be above. Is it the case -> No. So no P2 repeat.
- What are the conditions for P2 rev chron ? -> volume above P2. So here, no P2 in any case.
- what comes after P2 ? -> T2P. We've had T2P already.
- Is it a T2P repeat ?
- what is the requirement for that ? -> INC volume AND below leftmost P2.
- Is it the case ? -> It is. We have volume INC after T2P being below P2 -> we have T2P repeat.
- My DD -> If on bar 5, volume ends in Zone 3 we'll have in VTP a T2P repeat.
2) Zone 2
- what was prior element IDd ? -> T2P
- what is volume doing ? -> DEC
- then what is the definition of the current scenario ? -> B-band is active cause T2P is there, last IDd element was T2P and new formed bar is DEC compared to prior one AND it is above leftmost T1.
- this fits the definition of T2F.
- My DD -> If on bar 5, volume ends in Zone 2 we'll have in VTP a T2F.
3) Zone 5
- what is the context ? -> a four bar has been created. T2P is there. We are in the B-band.
- can this zone be the Aa one ? -> it cannot, cause we're in B-band, although this reminds the Aa case. In addition to that, we would need a wait along the path, which has been said that does not happen in this hypothetical scenario.
- what is volume doing ? -> INC compared to every prior bars. It makes think about HVBO.
- which of P1 and P2 is the highest ? -> P1 > P2.
- so we're having a bar above P1 after P2 has surged, with this P2 being below P1.
- being as this bar is INC, it can't be T1 nor T2P nor T2F in any case. It can only be P1 or P2 or P3P or P3F.
- What about P3P ? -> according to the VERS (volume element ranges sheet), the first P3P is after T2F. Last IDd element was T2P, so we can't have P3P even though we have b.0 > b.1. The same for the same reason makes me DD we can't have P3F.
- which are the remaining ? -> P1 and P2.
- can it be a repeat of P1 or P2 ? -> no cause the trend has pogressed until T2P so it can only be a rev chron.
- what is the requirement for rev chron P2 ? -> volume must be above prior P2 and the trend must have progressed beyond P2.
- is it the case ? -> yes.
- what is the requirement for rev chron P1 ? -> volume must be above prior P1 and the trend must have progressed beyond P2.
- is it the case ? -> yes.
- it could be (P1 or P2) rev chron. BUT, it is a second P2 being above P1.
- so it is a P1 rev chron.
- My DD -> If on bar 5, volume ends in Zone 5 we'll have in VTP a (revchron)P1.
4) Zone 4
- we have P2 below P1.
- we have IDd a T2P.
- we have volume ending between P2 and P1
- My DD -> If on bar 5, volume ends in Zone 4 we'll have in VTP a Bc EE.
NB : this would mean once we have a P2 below P1 AND T2P present, we won't find any P2 rev chron.
5) Zone 1 (the issue one)
- the space reminds be LVBO of B-band.
- the Bc EE has already been spacely-defined. The Ba volume requires in any case a level comprised between P2 and P1.
- Is it the case ? -> No.
- so I can't find any B-band EE here.
- so there is a Volume element to find here.
- what is volume doing ? -> DEC
- so it's not a P1, nor a P2.
- can it be a P3P ? -> no because b.0 is < b.1
- can it be a P3F ? -> no because it requires T2F to be present and it is not.
- So is it a T2P ? -> No, we've defined the zone for that ID, it's Zone 3
- so is it a T2F ? -> No, cause according to the VERS, T2F is killed if < T1.
- so it's none of the volume elements...
- wait a sec...
- this reminds me the pragmatic context of the "four bars" which requires a T2P but that is established even whithout the presence yet of T2P which IS the 4th bar of a "four bars context".
- in the vein of that, what if I say when T2P is there, the context for a "five bar context" is pragmatically established ?
- this takes me to Fd EE...
Sometimes when I'm in all this, it's hard to differenciate when I'm inventing from when I'm doing great DDs.
Is it the case here ? -> yes.
Need to study, think, work and find out this.
Current DDs :
Zone 1 : Fd EE
Zone 2 : T2F
Zone 3 : T2P
Zone 4 : Bc EE
Zone 5 : P1 rev chron
Let's say each price bar related to each volume bar is included into the same trend AND each pC allows to measure volume.
Bar 1 : P1 is ass
Bar 2 : Vol is DEC so T1
Bar 3 : Vol is INC AND below P1 so P2. A-band passes and is active now.
Bar 4 : Vol is DEC AND is above T1 : so T2P. B-band passes and is active now.
Bar 5 : it can end in five different zones. I wanna solve each possibility and explore them to the deepest. The following is not in the order from 1 to 5 because I want first to expose what I'm sure about.
The bar 4 will be bar.1 and the 5th bar (which is a shadow here) will be bar.0
r
Pragmatically, we're here in the " four bars context"
1) zone 3 : We have P1 above P2. We are after T2P. So, according to the volume element ranges sheet (VERS), explicitely T2P and T2F are gated. P1 is killed. All this is explicitely defined in the VERS.
If volume ends in zone 3, we will have vol INC. We can either have a volume element and this will mean the trend continues, or we'll have an EE and the trend will be over.
In terms of volume elements :
- being as we're after T2P, we know P1 is killed. T1 is killed after P2 onward.
- Is it the case ? -> yes, being as we've come until T2P. So T1 is killed also. So, no P1, no T1. - What is after that in the OOE ? -> P2.
- What are the necessary requirements for P2 repeat ? -> volume must be above. Is it the case -> No. So no P2 repeat.
- What are the conditions for P2 rev chron ? -> volume above P2. So here, no P2 in any case.
- what comes after P2 ? -> T2P. We've had T2P already.
- Is it a T2P repeat ?
- what is the requirement for that ? -> INC volume AND below leftmost P2.
- Is it the case ? -> It is. We have volume INC after T2P being below P2 -> we have T2P repeat.
- My DD -> If on bar 5, volume ends in Zone 3 we'll have in VTP a T2P repeat.
2) Zone 2
- what was prior element IDd ? -> T2P
- what is volume doing ? -> DEC
- then what is the definition of the current scenario ? -> B-band is active cause T2P is there, last IDd element was T2P and new formed bar is DEC compared to prior one AND it is above leftmost T1.
- this fits the definition of T2F.
- My DD -> If on bar 5, volume ends in Zone 2 we'll have in VTP a T2F.
3) Zone 5
- what is the context ? -> a four bar has been created. T2P is there. We are in the B-band.
- can this zone be the Aa one ? -> it cannot, cause we're in B-band, although this reminds the Aa case. In addition to that, we would need a wait along the path, which has been said that does not happen in this hypothetical scenario.
- what is volume doing ? -> INC compared to every prior bars. It makes think about HVBO.
- which of P1 and P2 is the highest ? -> P1 > P2.
- so we're having a bar above P1 after P2 has surged, with this P2 being below P1.
- being as this bar is INC, it can't be T1 nor T2P nor T2F in any case. It can only be P1 or P2 or P3P or P3F.
- What about P3P ? -> according to the VERS (volume element ranges sheet), the first P3P is after T2F. Last IDd element was T2P, so we can't have P3P even though we have b.0 > b.1. The same for the same reason makes me DD we can't have P3F.
- which are the remaining ? -> P1 and P2.
- can it be a repeat of P1 or P2 ? -> no cause the trend has pogressed until T2P so it can only be a rev chron.
- what is the requirement for rev chron P2 ? -> volume must be above prior P2 and the trend must have progressed beyond P2.
- is it the case ? -> yes.
- what is the requirement for rev chron P1 ? -> volume must be above prior P1 and the trend must have progressed beyond P2.
- is it the case ? -> yes.
- it could be (P1 or P2) rev chron. BUT, it is a second P2 being above P1.
- so it is a P1 rev chron.
- My DD -> If on bar 5, volume ends in Zone 5 we'll have in VTP a (revchron)P1.
4) Zone 4
- we have P2 below P1.
- we have IDd a T2P.
- we have volume ending between P2 and P1
- My DD -> If on bar 5, volume ends in Zone 4 we'll have in VTP a Bc EE.
NB : this would mean once we have a P2 below P1 AND T2P present, we won't find any P2 rev chron.
5) Zone 1 (the issue one)
- the space reminds be LVBO of B-band.
- the Bc EE has already been spacely-defined. The Ba volume requires in any case a level comprised between P2 and P1.
- Is it the case ? -> No.
- so I can't find any B-band EE here.
- so there is a Volume element to find here.
- what is volume doing ? -> DEC
- so it's not a P1, nor a P2.
- can it be a P3P ? -> no because b.0 is < b.1
- can it be a P3F ? -> no because it requires T2F to be present and it is not.
- So is it a T2P ? -> No, we've defined the zone for that ID, it's Zone 3
- so is it a T2F ? -> No, cause according to the VERS, T2F is killed if < T1.
- so it's none of the volume elements...
- wait a sec...
- this reminds me the pragmatic context of the "four bars" which requires a T2P but that is established even whithout the presence yet of T2P which IS the 4th bar of a "four bars context".
- in the vein of that, what if I say when T2P is there, the context for a "five bar context" is pragmatically established ?
- this takes me to Fd EE...
Sometimes when I'm in all this, it's hard to differenciate when I'm inventing from when I'm doing great DDs.
Is it the case here ? -> yes.
Need to study, think, work and find out this.
Current DDs :
Zone 1 : Fd EE
Zone 2 : T2F
Zone 3 : T2P
Zone 4 : Bc EE
Zone 5 : P1 rev chron
Zone 1 : my bad, you're right. Thank you. So I'd see now Fb EE.
Yes F context needs to wait for T2F...but lastly I learned the four bar context can be considered established pragmatically even though T2P is not yet here. This led to have an Aa EE whithout having T2P present in the trend. If this is true, I thought : why would this be true only in this case ? Maybe it can be also true to say when T2P is there, it establishes pragmatically the F context although T2F is prevented to surge...
It may be silly, invention, wrong, but it's my current DD.
A Band
A band comes when the parallelogram is formed.
Since volume is in bars I named this oontext as "four bar". The sequence to four bar is: P1 to T1 to P2 to T2P. On a parallelogram it is Pt1 to BO of RTL to pt2 to pt 3.
I have explained thoroughly and repeatedly why up/down of CW's OODA is screwed up as compared to the triads of trends in a right/left context. Google if you wish. Even A. Lo of Tech misses this fine point.
A band's EE's are found in a four bar context. If the T2P is prevented from occurring, the context is still established pragmatically.
Volume a band is there in place. It has three zones: inside, above and below. Inside has no 1 band EE's; new later bands are slipped into place.
7 are above as HVBO's. One is below as LVBO and specifically Ab in name.
I will present them on pages to make their absorption simple.
after the PP's are considered, the A band appears as the EE band when the trend has progressed to the
extent of having a P1, T1 and P2 in place. Then and only then can the EE's in the Aband be considered.
B band and so on
after a trnd continues its progress several new bands appear for exclusive consideration as an order of
events in bands. They follow the alphabet.
when a T2P occurs the b band is in effect
When a T2F appears the C band is in effect and the n+1 rule is applied to carry out the EE test on the
next bar after the T2F appears.
All bands after this full compliment of volume elements are in place, occur under special conditions as
explicitly defined in the B thru K look up table.
F type EE's
Fa, Fb, Fc and Fd
Bands A, B and C occur, then aan extreme bar appears.
It can be very high of very low.
Lets go from least to most in value.
Before in the A band an Ab could appear when the bar value was afte P2 and lower than T1. Later after thyee t2P and T2F have apperaed the F context comes into view.
Fd is a value lower than T1.
Fc is a value lower than T2F.
HVBO's can appear as well.
If P2> P1, then a volume value just less than P1 is an Fa.
If P1> P2, then Fb is a value just greater than P2.
A band comes when the parallelogram is formed.
Since volume is in bars I named this oontext as "four bar". The sequence to four bar is: P1 to T1 to P2 to T2P. On a parallelogram it is Pt1 to BO of RTL to pt2 to pt 3.
I have explained thoroughly and repeatedly why up/down of CW's OODA is screwed up as compared to the triads of trends in a right/left context. Google if you wish. Even A. Lo of Tech misses this fine point.
A band's EE's are found in a four bar context. If the T2P is prevented from occurring, the context is still established pragmatically.
Volume a band is there in place. It has three zones: inside, above and below. Inside has no 1 band EE's; new later bands are slipped into place.
7 are above as HVBO's. One is below as LVBO and specifically Ab in name.
I will present them on pages to make their absorption simple.
after the PP's are considered, the A band appears as the EE band when the trend has progressed to the
extent of having a P1, T1 and P2 in place. Then and only then can the EE's in the Aband be considered.
B band and so on
after a trnd continues its progress several new bands appear for exclusive consideration as an order of
events in bands. They follow the alphabet.
when a T2P occurs the b band is in effect
When a T2F appears the C band is in effect and the n+1 rule is applied to carry out the EE test on the
next bar after the T2F appears.
All bands after this full compliment of volume elements are in place, occur under special conditions as
explicitly defined in the B thru K look up table.
F type EE's
Fa, Fb, Fc and Fd
Bands A, B and C occur, then aan extreme bar appears.
It can be very high of very low.
Lets go from least to most in value.
Before in the A band an Ab could appear when the bar value was afte P2 and lower than T1. Later after thyee t2P and T2F have apperaed the F context comes into view.
Fd is a value lower than T1.
Fc is a value lower than T2F.
HVBO's can appear as well.
If P2> P1, then a volume value just less than P1 is an Fa.
If P1> P2, then Fb is a value just greater than P2.
Seems T2P also heralds B Band, so A Band is often earlier than T2p annotated, though after PP!.
"conflicts" in the writings...
Followed by this:
And this:
The A-Band EE sheet clearly states for Aa-EE... 4 Bar (P1, T1, P2, T2P all present in trend) + a wait is required.
So one "conflict" is... what is the meaning of the word "present"? If a T2P pragmatically exists, than that means as soon as P2 is in place, which is also the moment the A-band exists. In my world, this T2P ghost, is not equivalent to "present". The T2P ghost would also create the B-band.
Furthermore, Ad-EE (maybe other A-band EE's too) will fail to exist if an Aa-EE is allowed based on a T2P ghost. Moreover, the lack of binary variables and/or requirements as to when a ghosted T2P exists for EE purposes is in complete disagreement with the entire foundation of which the RDBMS method is built upon.
P1-T1-P2 creates A-band,
T2P creates B-band
T2F creates C-band.
To repeat from above....
after the PP's are considered, the A band appears as the EE band when the trend has progressed to the extent of having a P1, T1 and P2 in place. Then and only then can the EE's in the Aband be considered.
Aa-EE... 4 Bar (P1, T1, P2, T2P all present in trend) + a wait is required.
Followed by this:
And this:
The A-Band EE sheet clearly states for Aa-EE... 4 Bar (P1, T1, P2, T2P all present in trend) + a wait is required.
So one "conflict" is... what is the meaning of the word "present"? If a T2P pragmatically exists, than that means as soon as P2 is in place, which is also the moment the A-band exists. In my world, this T2P ghost, is not equivalent to "present". The T2P ghost would also create the B-band.
Furthermore, Ad-EE (maybe other A-band EE's too) will fail to exist if an Aa-EE is allowed based on a T2P ghost. Moreover, the lack of binary variables and/or requirements as to when a ghosted T2P exists for EE purposes is in complete disagreement with the entire foundation of which the RDBMS method is built upon.
P1-T1-P2 creates A-band,
T2P creates B-band
T2F creates C-band.
To repeat from above....
after the PP's are considered, the A band appears as the EE band when the trend has progressed to the extent of having a P1, T1 and P2 in place. Then and only then can the EE's in the Aband be considered.
Aa-EE... 4 Bar (P1, T1, P2, T2P all present in trend) + a wait is required.
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Your image needs the bands refined. T2P coming into being initiates B-band by defining boundaries for reference, A-band is active on that bar as a possible LVBO and HVBO zones where volume would exist on EOB. B-band EE’s do not exist until the n+1 bar from the T2P.
What is between Lvbo and hvbo is a bandpass.
If T2P is true then it is a A-band bandpass. A-band bandpass is not seen nor is it an EE for it is defined as a T2P.
Logically, the presence of a T2P initiates B-band and kills A band.
So for me this puts the progression of trend into the secondary band with Ba as the EE for what Tiddlywinks proposes is Aa.
Let’s explore the case that tiddlywinks assertion is correct.
Then MSoO#66,#68,#84 and #121 are prerequisites to understanding the following:
(Jack's text is in quotes, mine in green within his context)
“Aa HVBO
We did the easier ones. What’s left is caveat land.
A four bar gets built. It cannot be simple and straightforward.
(This statement rules out a normal sequence of P1,T1,P2,T2P without internals for that is simple and straightforward)
If it is (simple and straightforward) then the next bar takes you to other bands or is just a new P1.
BUT if the four bar (context) contains an internal (wait) somewhere along the line, the four bar (context) is primed for ending.
(Having a 'wait' prevents the T2P. There is no T2P in the following A-Band EE's: Ac-1, Ac-2, Ad, Ae-1, Ae-2, Ah, Af, Ag)
A four bar including a wait is a HVBO Aa if a HVBO comes along.” (MSoO#127)
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Ok that's is the majority of the A-band. Ab is not included in that list because there are some Ab's that do have a T2P prior, for the next EE that satisfies <T1 is F-band and that isn't activated until T2F initiates it. So if that is the case then it is possible to have another A-band EE but it would have to go where B-band isn't.
Then the definition for B band would receive some focus.
“Ba is common and Bc is not seen. Ba is found when P1<P2 Or int UL AND the volume is between P2 and T2P.” (MSoO#70)
This statement could be interpreted in two ways:
1) Ba is found when (P1<P2 Or int UL) AND the volume is between P2 and T2P.
2) Ba is found when P1<P2 Or (int UL AND the volume is between P2 and T2P.)
Converting to symbolic logic and using the order of precedence would make 2) true. However in this case, 1) is most likely true in that P1<P2 OR INT UL are the preconditions for volume to be between P2 and T2P.
In other words,
If (P1<P2 Or int UL), the Ba volume is between P2 and T2P.
To word ^ the statement like the following Jack's:
“If P2<P1, the Bc Volume is between P2 and P1.”
In other words,
Ba has an (Int UL) or not (Int UL), it defines volume between P2 and T2P when P1<P2.
Bc has an Int (wait) but not a UL, it defines volume between P2 and P1 when P2<P1.
Therefore as a possibility;
Aa has an Int (wait) but not a UL, it defines volume as a HVBO (>P1 leftmost) in the zone above Bc when P2<P1.
This case would mirror Ab EE as an A-band EE still active even though B-Band has initiated AND it would satisfy Tiddywink's assertion of Aa having a four bar context that includes a T2P. This also resolves the path to Ad since an EE on the sequence like P1,T1,P2,P1 (where P2<P1) would interrupt the path to the rev chron P1 after the P2.
That's so great!
It 'clicks' into place.
Iterative refinement as a team effort!
Many thanks to Tiddlywinks, Simples and especially WchPl for staying on the case!
Time to update some sheets,...
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Volume Testing.docx has some text not found elsewhere.
Ba and Bc
Ba is found when P2 is greater than P1 or an inside bar has a larger volume than the outside bar AND the volume is between P2 and T2P.
If P2 is less than P1, the Bc volume is between P2 and P1.
Some of the other text is also slightly reworded in that document:
Aa HVBO
A four-bar lateral gets built. It cannot be simple and straight forward. If it is then the next bar takes you to other bands or is just a new P1
BUT if the four-bar contains an internal (wait) somewhere along the line, the four-bar is primed for ending.
A four-bar including a wait is an HVBO Aa if an HVBO comes along.
Ba and Bc
Ba is found when P2 is greater than P1 or an inside bar has a larger volume than the outside bar AND the volume is between P2 and T2P.
If P2 is less than P1, the Bc volume is between P2 and P1.
Some of the other text is also slightly reworded in that document:
Aa HVBO
A four-bar lateral gets built. It cannot be simple and straight forward. If it is then the next bar takes you to other bands or is just a new P1
BUT if the four-bar contains an internal (wait) somewhere along the line, the four-bar is primed for ending.
A four-bar including a wait is an HVBO Aa if an HVBO comes along.
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