Making JH' SCT and all his material alive

[sd2005]

There are no ‘extra’ drills. All are designed for one whom does them to increase discernment and increase what Jack calls one’s ‘spectrum of differentiation.’

The pace of your ‘aha’s’ are dependent on your own work.

Nobody can do that for you.

Given how you’ve expressing yourself and looking for shortcuts, this method is most likely not for you.

It is however well suited for someone willing to ‘to roll up their sleeves’ and work on changing their perceptions of how markets work. It does require commitment, persistence and dedication. Not so much because of the material itself but more so of all the other stuff we have in our minds that get in the way. It’s a lifetime of acculturation that requires updating.

To those whom put in the work come the rewards of pulling the ‘full offer of the market’ at any given time.

You have the price cases, the 5x5 grid, the next is to annotate charts using ‘the pattern ‘ and identifying trends. You do this at the same time as logging.
There are posted logs that you can use as a template and you fill out what you can and post the result. Doing so allows someone other than you to see what you see and what the next step is to do. That’s just how the process works the fastest. To think this method is like a cookbook and all you need are the ingredients to make an award winning pie is not realistic.

It’s just too complex and overwhelming. The pieces do all fit together but can you put together a car engine from a box of parts?

It’s like someone taking a couple of classes of a martial art and expecting to be a black belt and be a winner in a MMA bout or street scuffle.


May you experience good fortune in your endeavors!

Hi @Sprout ,

I understand 'the pattern'. It's no different with PA/non volume chart analysis, except there's volume.
So JHM probably can be more accurate in timing of entering the market/order placement because of volume analysis.

I agree that volume drives price as Jack mentioned via jokari window. If vol is up, trend will continue, if vol is down, trend will/may change.
You know that you know, but you think you know what i know and what I don't know.
I know that i don't fully know especially with regards to price AND volume analysis. I want to know by way of logging and asking how to read the instructions written by Jack. I believe doing logging will make i know that i know. But you didn't tell me how to read it and i can't proceed further.

From the picture showing bands @WchPl drawn, all the bands are above T1 vol bar. T1 is BO of rtl prior trend. So when the subsequent vol elements in OOE maintaining its pace above T1 level, the stronger the better till reaching pt2. And on the way down to pt3, it should be non dominance move with less volume to ensure the new trend is still intact.
I may be right, may be wrong. But i need to know how to read Jack's scripts in order to uncover many more hidden gems. The scripts are written in, say z++, and i need help to read understand z++ syntaxes. Only a few people know z++, i guess you're one of them.
I need that help.
All answers are right in front in the chart and Jack's scripts might help to unlock it.

Thanks.

 

[Simples]

The SCT thread provides low barrier to entry intro to the concepts as well as some drills. Jack has made tens of thousands of posts during the years. There are several different methods mentioned, and these have been updated from time to time as well. If this is too much now, it'll probably still be here for later.

 

[Sprout]

Hi @Sprout ,

I understand 'the pattern'. It's no different with PA/non volume chart analysis, except there's volume.
So JHM probably can be more accurate in timing of entering the market/order placement because of volume analysis.

- It is. When one ID’s the EE’s correctly, one reverses and low and behold volume in the new trend direction comes in. It’s just how it works and quite magical. Some have said it’s spooky. Never the less for someone to figure it out like Jack did is genius. On top of that, to give it away for free! One just makes a promise of paying it forward and extracting money from wall st to fix main st problems.

He is a class act as his words and teaching live on to those whom are open, do their own due diligence, absorb, assimilate and integrate.



I agree that volume drives price as Jack mentioned via jokari window. If vol is up, trend will continue, if vol is down, trend will/may change.
You know that you know, but you think you know what i know and what I don't know.

- True and in respect to you only as your grasp of the material as it pertains to JHM. I know that you are doing the drills to get through them. You’re doing the same with the threads. It shows by what you are focusing on, the questions you ask and how you are expressing yourself.



I know that i don't fully know especially with regards to price AND volume analysis. I want to know by way of logging and asking how to read the instructions written by Jack. I believe doing logging will make i know that i know. But you didn't tell me how to read it and i can't proceed further.

- I have, reread my prior post to you. You just have to be ok with doing it in passes or strokes or repetitions. It is just the way it is. It’s about building sports memory through repetition.



From the picture showing bands @WchPl drawn, all the bands are above T1 vol bar. T1 is BO of rtl prior trend. So when the subsequent vol elements in OOE maintaining its pace above T1 level, the stronger the better till reaching pt2. And on the way down to pt3, it should be non dominance move with less volume to ensure the new trend is still intact.


- Yes and you are describing a particular fractal. It could be the non-Dom move prior to the Dom in the opposite direction of another fractal. Depends on context.

There are complete and incomplete trends, trends that are routine and those that end and start with a failsafe. All with volume as the independent variable to the dependent variable; price.

The price cases encapsulates this OOE with two bars. The 5x5 encapsulates this OOE with a single bar. All the EE’s encapsulates this OOE to bands, each band is a distinct number of bars and volume measurement.




I may be right, may be wrong. But i need to know how to read Jack's scripts in order to uncover many more hidden gems. The scripts are written in, say z++, and i need help to read understand z++ syntaxes. Only a few people know z++, i guess you're one of them.
I need that help.


- ...and you might be crazy,...


Like I said n the previous post, post an annotated chart with a corresponding log. Fill in what you can, that ‘s the only way for anyone here to offer what the next step would be specifically for you. It’s not a recipe, it’s about building capacity iteratively. If you want to learn it a different way, then go teach yourself.

In my posting history starting with the first post you can see my logical progression as well as the tools I created for myself to support my learning. I’ve shared them all. The only thing I haven’t shared are the pack of notecards where I cataloged each EE as a prerequisite to understanding the Mondrian table, the extensions of the Move Reversal table (it’s designed to grow), nor the model of the market as I see it as a 4th dimensional geometric shape, etc,... It doesn’t make sense to post them yet.

However, I would recommend the priority is to spend the time with Jack’s writings and charts.

The method builds through iterative refinement.

It’s been challenging enough to get folks logging. The twenty day to expert drill is a great drill. It’ll demonstrate the importance of logging.



All answers are right in front in the chart and Jack's scripts might help to unlock it.



Thanks.

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[sd2005]

The SCT thread provides low barrier to
entry intro to the concepts as well as some drills. Jack has made tens of thousands of posts during the years. There are several different methods mentioned, and these have been updated from time to time as well. If this is too much now, it'll probably still be here for later.

Comments within quoted text.

Hi @Simples, @Sprout,
I will read the thread.

Thanks for your support and encouragement.

 

[Simples]

Hi @Simples, @Sprout,
I will read the thread.

Thanks for your support and encouragement.

Good! Any chance you get in between, if you do the drills, collect and sort the knowledge and practically do purposeful work with it, this method assists to inform and for differentiating bar-by-bar. Such skill will always be useful for trading, no matter what system one builds, and can always be revisited.

 

[WchPl]

I'm currently taking a break of some days, to keep my being far away from the work. I will take from today one or two more. It's a necessity. And as I'm doing so, I note something familiar to me, as I feel I'm building a stronger base of comprehension of the method, being far from it in my everydayness.

As some of you may have read in this Journal, I reached a national, european and international level at TableSoccer through my life. Along the years, there were periods of time where I could not practice nor touch any table and had to keep away from the game. In those moments, I was constantly feeling the same as I talked about in the first paragraph of this post : I was getting better at the game whithout playing.

With that said, I'd like to share a thought.

What is a question ? a question is a path that wants to reach to the being of the truth. Most of time, each time I was asking a question to @Sprout or reading asked questions by learners to JH or Spyder, whichever it was, I felt they were always kind of giving the same answer. So, they kind of always say the same. Why so ? because us, learners, students, always start with a questioning on the path of the divided, believing that this questioning that we position into the path of the divided will lead to a universal. But, to the question of the divided that produces an answer into the divided, we (learners) are into the illusion and the ideology. For our answer not to be into illusion and ideology, but into the real movement of the totality, we must take this questioning that is divided, patchy, fragmentary, and reposition it into the totality : the real move of the productive forces of the history of the context we're in. We have thousands of possible cases surging. If we stay into this kind of questions, we will reproduce the same division our questions come from. The world of each particular bar doesn't have any autonomous scenario, but is the product of the history of the context (3 fractals) creating all particular scenarios making the universal one. From there, we must see that any particular question we ask doesn't have any sense in itself, but only contributes to the reproduction of the divided : what is good ? what is correct ? what is true ? what is this ? what is that ? So, when we do so, we (learners) take inconsciously the universal and divide it into an infinite number of sequences, that each have their questioning isolated, and their own answers that never lead to anywhere.
And this is the drama most of JH learners may have felt depending on their will, tenacity and hard work.
We go into a jargonnage that it infinite, carving each parts of the whole, that does not make any link with the totality that resides in the fundamental rule : volume dictates price. When volume increases, price trend is continuing. When volume decreases, price trend can change.
Nothing more nothing less.
All the rest we ask about, is nothing but revealing that priorly, came a moment into the history of the development of the chart, we lost the thread... How to remedy this ?
-> each time it happens, go back to last absolute certitude, back to last known good.

When I was 15 I discoverd hazardously this :

This is known as "Einstein's enigma". Some of you may know it already. The thing is to establish a Matrix of informations, trying to fill each cell from what we know for sure, and deduce the rest from it. Once all the sure is put into its place, all the rest stems from it. And each time I managed to fill a new cell, I had this natural reflex to go back to the very first information provided, to see if this was now placeable in a cell, because I knew it was gonna make stem all the following.


I'm not 15 anymore And this is a pitty for me.... jockin

What I wanna say is the more I think about the stuff, about all what it's relied to, the more I understand "going towards truth" resides in three practices.
And those three practices have an OOE.
It turns out going towards the truth resides at first mostly in stopping going towards the wrong/lie. It simply makes MORE SPACE for the truth to fill in.
THEN, after breaking out all self-obstacles (this action already is part of the process of going towards the truth), one can build on it the practice that leads to the truth in second instance thanks to the space available.
And thirdly, it's about satying focus on this dynamic and all pieces will fall at the right place.

Like when you wanna put a new furniture into your room, if it's not possible because of the disposition of the room in itself, then the only parameter that remains malleable is to take an old furniture out of the room.
In the end, depending on the importance of the new furniture you wanna integrate, you will automatically find a way to take an old one out.

That's breaking out self limits and this constitute more than anything the process of learning JHM. That's why, I understand it now, it is so hard for most of us, and it was until today so hard for me. Things are changing in a radical maneer.

Thank you @Sprout , Thank you Jack, be blessed.


Let's BE, DO, HAVE.

 

[Simples]

I'm currently taking a break of some days, to keep my being far away from the work. I will take from today one or two more. It's a necessity. And as I'm doing so, I note something familiar to me, as I feel I'm building a stronger base of comprehension of the method, being far from it in my everydayness.

As some of you may have read in this Journal, I reached a national, european and international level at TableSoccer through my life. Along the years, there were periods of time where I could not practice nor touch any table and had to keep away from the game. In those moments, I was constantly feeling the same as I talked about in the first paragraph of this post : I was getting better at the game whithout playing.

With that said, I'd like to share a thought.

What is a question ? a question is a path that wants to reach to the being of the truth. Most of time, each time I was asking a question to @Sprout or reading asked questions by learners to JH or Spyder, whichever it was, I felt they were always kind of giving the same answer. So, they kind of always say the same. Why so ? because us, learners, students, always start with a questioning on the path of the divided, believing that this questioning that we position into the path of the divided will lead to a universal. But, to the question of the divided that produces an answer into the divided, we (learners) are into the illusion and the ideology. For our answer not to be into illusion and ideology, but into the real movement of the totality, we must take this questioning that is divided, patchy, fragmentary, and reposition it into the totality : the real move of the productive forces of the history of the context we're in. We have thousands of possible cases surging. If we stay into this kind of questions, we will reproduce the same division our questions come from. The world of each particular bar doesn't have any autonomous scenario, but is the product of the history of the context (3 fractals) creating all particular scenarios making the universal one. From there, we must see that any particular question we ask doesn't have any sense in itself, but only contributes to the reproduction of the divided : what is good ? what is correct ? what is true ? what is this ? what is that ? So, when we do so, we (learners) take inconsciously the universal and divide it into an infinite number of sequences, that each have their questioning isolated, and their own answers that never lead to anywhere.
And this is the drama most of JH learners may have felt depending on their will, tenacity and hard work.
We go into a jargonnage that it infinite, carving each parts of the whole, that does not make any link with the totality that resides in the fundamental rule : volume dictates price. When volume increases, price trend is continuing. When volume decreases, price trend can change.
Nothing more nothing less.
All the rest we ask about, is nothing but revealing that priorly, came a moment into the history of the development of the chart, we lost the thread... How to remedy this ?
-> each time it happens, go back to last absolute certitude, back to last known good.

When I was 15 I discoverd hazardously this :
View attachment 198968

This is known as "Einstein's enigma". Some of you may know it already. The thing is to establish a Matrix of informations, trying to fill each cell from what we know for sure, and deduce the rest from it. Once all the sure is put into its place, all the rest stems from it. And each time I managed to fill a new cell, I had this natural reflex to go back to the very first information provided, to see if this was now placeable in a cell, because I knew it was gonna make stem all the following.


I'm not 15 anymore And this is a pitty for me.... jockin

What I wanna say is the more I think about the stuff, about all what it's relied to, the more I understand "going towards truth" resides in three practices.
And those three practices have an OOE.
It turns out going towards the truth resides at first mostly in stopping going towards the wrong/lie. It simply makes MORE SPACE for the truth to fill in.
THEN, after breaking out all self-obstacles (this action already is part of the process of going towards the truth), one can build on it the practice that leads to the truth in second instance thanks to the space available.
And thirdly, it's about satying focus on this dynamic and all pieces will fall at the right place.

Like when you wanna put a new furniture into your room, if it's not possible because of the disposition of the room in itself, then the only parameter that remains malleable is to take an old furniture out of the room.
In the end, depending on the importance of the new furniture you wanna integrate, you will automatically find a way to take an old one out.

That's breaking out self limits and this constitute more than anything the process of learning JHM. That's why, I understand it now, it is so hard for most of us, and it was until today so hard for me. Things are changing in a radical maneer.

Thank you @Sprout , Thank you Jack, be blessed.


Let's BE, DO, HAVE.

Maybe almost 10 years ago, I read some Spydertrader threads. The Pattern looked familiar, having watched some charts, but using it was impossible because PV varied too much and I don't really understand all the nuances, fractality etc. So I gave up, because I had no real introduction to JHM until Sprout invited me to create a thread on ET. Meanwhile, time was "wasted" trying everything under the sun.

After introduction by Sprout, I started reading and collecting everything Jack I could find. But, at the time, most flew by my ears. By effort and over time though, more and more of it sticks. I know where to look for new answers and reference, but most important bits for me, got stuck between ears.

A great student recognizes this, and persevere. Grit is most important trait in any successful endeavour. It certainly doesn't mean you exhaust yourself though, but feeds on practice. To invite success in your life, you need to build it up. You be you.

To progress, there are certain locks need unlocking. Skipping locks, won't bring the student to master realization faster. The student might even hurt herself, or others. This is true for most skillful areas. So a great student need to realize all that which is unknown and confusing, and the best, immerse themselves in the knowledge and practices that are recommended. It's hard, since mind tells us we should know better, when we really don't! Also, in many respects, this ego has helped us so many times before, so why change strategy, right?

Mastery is often ability to learn from others and the past, not inventing Everything for themselves. There may be rare exceptions, like Leonardo Da Vinci, but true genius like that, is most often a pipe dream. Could even be Leonardo would be a fatal trader!

Best teachers remember their own struggles, and mitigate for student. Great teachers recognize struggle they don't empathize with themselves, in others, and mitigate efforts to better paths.

One thing JHM and trading is NOT, is passive learning. It's sometimes good to recognize maybe a different strategy might help, build on the smallest success and appreciation of even the most miniscule fundament one might come by.

 

[baro-san]

...

When I was 15 I discoverd hazardously this :
View attachment 198968

This is known as "Einstein's enigma". Some of you may know it already. The thing is to establish a Matrix of informations, trying to fill each cell from what we know for sure, and deduce the rest from it. Once all the sure is put into its place, all the rest stems from it. And each time I managed to fill a new cell, I had this natural reflex to go back to the very first information provided, to see if this was now placeable in a cell, because I knew it was gonna make stem all the following.
...

 

[WchPl]

Will be back on the road on Monday.

'Til then, very best wishes and week end to all of you !

 

[WchPl]

Will be back on the road on Monday.

'Til then, very best wishes and week end to all of you !

It's Tuesday and I did not post yesterday, I apologize for this.

Yesterday I began a huge work which is necessary, that consists in getting everything that is decisive, useful and helpfful to the comprehension and that is in the three links that follow :

Thread 1
Thread 2
Thread 3

...in order to get all printed, to be able then to read it on paper. It's "a difference that will make the difference"

This is a long work, that I just finished today. It's around 400 pages on Word.

I can't go in town and get cheap price for printing before next Friday.

So, in order to follow what is to be done and stick to :

@WchPl
I think you should stay with your current chart, you’re right there.

To repeat, you just did your matrices where you either fanned or accelerated trendlines. That makes bar 6 within an estabished TL and progression of trend OR one would ‘carve’ by accelerating the TL and then bar 6 becomes more clearly defined FS.

Either one can work, it’s that either one leaves more money on the table in different contexts.

What’s important is to be consistent. It’s from this space as one refines then the ‘carving’ makes more sense.

, I will take advantage of the next 2 days to terminates my Great Matrix that I put aside on the 33 PC.
I know I will probably need more than 2 days to finish it, but nevermind I wanna do something that keeps me in the process.

@Sprout : As I'm seeing things right now, I think you are 100% right when you say I should stay on the chart I was performing VTP on. The thing is that by doing the work I did yesterday and today (which was necessary and adviced ) I noticed all the answers I need to perform VTP and fill the log and get to the real whole AHA, are THERE : in what I screenshoted, cut, pasted, organized and put in a Word doc. I've already read the 3 threads I mentionned at the beginning of the post, 3 times each along the last 4 years.
BUT -> I realize with an inalterable clarity that I was going through the material, but not letting the material go through myself.
This was a huge and necessary error; huge in that it made me loose/spend an (necessary) enormous time, and necessary in the sense that my path was to go to the extreme and very last step of this process, wich is the failure's one, and which is the only way I could do to reverse it all and begin to read with a new eye.

To extract myself from failure, I needed to experience failure until its end.

I've been having 2 eyes from birth, but I've been changing my way of watching, seeing, being, doing and willing to have, for only some weeks... This is the difference that is making the real one.

SO, as I wanna follow your advice to stay on what I was, I know now I need to reread the material being what I am now, and I will find different kind of answers that will let me, I hope so, perform correctly the VTP even if it's full of errors at the beginning.
I was stuck on my chart, as you said my problem started on bar 6 if I don't incorrectly remember, and I was stick because of a lack of going back to the material and let it pass trough myself.

Therefore, I will read it again in a new way, and at the same time, I will retake the last chart I was on, and will begin to log and do VTP, ID EEs, use Modrian, Move Reversal and Trend Types tables, to get to the AHA.

If you have any advice or thinking to provide that would contradict what I'm gonna do, please feel free to do so, you know i'll take it into acount more than anything.

Very best wishes to you, to all of you guys, hope you are experiencing the best in your journey and life