Making JH' SCT and all his material alive

[WchPl]

ps. I know that you think it would just be easier if I or someone else just told you the correct answer

No, you get me wrong. If you or anyone else gave me the correct answer, it would absolutely not help me, it would make me save time that would later convert itself into an irrecoverable one. Why so ? cause I can't currently ID the source from where the answer emerges. I must find the source, not its foam. And I know the source is the relationship with the market.
Plus, if I had correct answers whithout correct work, it would not lead me to where I want to get to. Cause this wouldn't create anything but lack of understandings, that would reveal later in the future in an even more frustrating and heartbreaking times. But if I had to say "it would be easier if" then I'd say "It would be easier if I had had the chance to begin from the starting point". BUT -> if things did not go this way, as everything that happens, it is that it was necessary : so, for things not to cease.

To be perfectly honest, sometimes I know that you could lead me FASTER not to the correct answer directly, but to explore the right zone that would lead to the correct answer. Instead, most of times you lead me to explore a lot of was is relied more or less directly to what I ask for.....You know I know
And as I know this, I understand that is an inestimable thing for me, because I feel what you're doing with me is nothing but leading me to an extreme level of mastering...

In a nutshell, even it's hard, I know what you're doing with me

My mind is currently changing and transmuting itself in a destabilizing way. Your support is really incredible in that process, and I give you a sincer and human thank you for that.

 

[tiddlywinks]

Good write up,...

And there you’ve outlined an ftt on a trough completing a Dom traverse - short.

Nice try, but nope.

Here is the correctly annotated "tape". Definitely not an ftt.

 

[Simples]

Could you please help me with ubicating the litterature you're refering to here please so I could read it ? I'm under a big amount of things that I'm reading, copying and analysing. That's just to save a bit of time in this rush moment. If you do not want, it's fine.

What I often use are the texts I attached sometime ago, and do simple text-searches on those texts. They're all Jack Hershey material, mostly. Web-searches would also work like that. What I use as "baseline" for R&D. I mostly use the text only, not old ET posts or deprecated links and attachments. This is of course not complete, and I know of no definitive source of completion to this work.

To start your own R&D on this, I paste in what I found relevant to this discussion:

Now you have all you need to do trends.
four types will be used.
all trends ahve two ends. we will focus on the last end which is where you take profit segment after profit segment all day long.
there are 35 unique last ends I call End Effects.
some people can find them and organize them. that is not the job of a leraner who is becoming an expert.
So I am denying all of you the intellectual experience. sorry.
attached is the PP sheet with the collection of Pre Primary End Effects. One the sheet are the maths you need to use the name. I also included a description as a shortcut way to sense the "shape".
I have included a total development of the neuroscience of building your mind. It is just not presented using the language of neuro science. I also have included the human psychology refrain of people who make money extracting it from markets. the feeleings are :support, comfort and confidence as you are gradually finding out.
CW has feelings too. If you feel them you are fucking up.
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the A band is large as logic dictated.
this sheet has a lot of history. for those who lived it I put the terms on the right side.
this is the middle third of the End Effects.
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the failsafe attachments are on this sheet.
this is used on the four top panneals of the Modrian Table.
these are the n -1 elements for preventing being on the wrong side of market sentiment.
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As you log, you get P1's. The first is assigned. The next two can come almost any time. They enlarge the trend volatility. Almost NO traders are aware of trend volatility's role or for sure its role in making money.
Like with pharma's there are good and bad side effects. Your mind's are embarking on the greatest trip ever taken.
This work INFORMS in MANY DIMENSIONS.
P1 is on the first row of your volume elements chart (it has six columns).
Look at "Next" column. When you have an EE you do "NEXT" on a bar.
trends are independent. You have to begin them once and EE has occurred.
A P1 begins a trends ASAP. Two rules:
1. Do P1 on bar of failsafe EE's and A band EE's
2. On all other EE's put P1 on the next bar.
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A band comes when the parallelogram is formed.
Since volume is in bars I named this oontext as "four bar". The sequence to four bar is: P1 to T1 to P2 to T2P. On a parallelogram it is Pt1 to BO of RTL to pt2 to pt 3.
I have explained thoroughly and repeatedly why up/down of CW's OODA is screwed up as compared to the triads of trends in a right/left context. Google if you wish. Even A. Lo of Tech misses this fine point.
A band's EE's are found in a four bar context. If the T2P is prevented from occurring, the context is still established pragmatically.
Volume a band is there in place. It has three zones: inside, above and below. Inside has no 1 band EE's; new later bands are slipped into place.
7 are above as HVBO's. One is below as LVBO and specifically Ab in name.
I will present them on pages to make their absorption simple.
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B band measures the second non dominant leg of the trend. So its range is between P2 and T2. T2 is cut finer than the PRIMARY to be able to be a part of the SECONDARY as well. T2P makes its appearnace as a consequence.
Band B is shown as a zone between two volume values and a range is formed. I cross hatched it and labelled its parts and labelled the beginning and end of the events based band.
Four values in volume have occurred. Two bands result. This defines in volume a trend that is continuing
A SECONDARY is in the future and that future is coming into the Present and will sit in the Past, eventually. This is a dynamic.
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The PP is the Pre Preliminary band.
Sometimes a trend is cut short very rapidly and sometimes peculiar price bars come up. also sometimes volume bars interpose thmeselves between other values. So it goes. Everything possible has to be taken into acount and considered in the proper context.
After the PP's are considered, the A band appears as the EE band when the trend has progressed to the extent of having a P1, T1 and P2 in place. Then and only then can the EE's in the Aband be considered.
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after a trnd continues its progress several new bands appear for exclusive consideration as an order of events in bands. They follow the alphabet.
when a T2P occurs the b band is in effect.
When a T2F appears the C band is in effect and the n+1 rule is applied to carry out the EE test on the next bar after the T2F appears.
All bands after this full compliment of volume elements are in place, occur under special conditions as explicitelydefined in the B thru K look up table.
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Aa HVBO
We did the easier ones. Whats left is caveat land.
A four bar gets built. It cannot be simple and straight forward. If it is then the next bar takes you to other bands or is just a new P1
BUT if the four bar contains an internal (wait) somewhere along thel ine, the four bar is primed for ending.
A four bar including a wait is a HVBO Aa if a HVBO comes along.
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I believe the solution is in R&D, but I have no evidence but faith to base that on. When texts and pictures fail to convey, one need to test hypothesises on the market, as if one was trading the markets. This is the work.

The frustration is familiar, and it is good you bring it up. If you can transform that energy into R&D, there'll simply be no time for feeling frustrated anymore.

 

[sd2005]

Comments within quoted text.

Hi @Sprout,
Pls refer to updated grid5x5 and the pattern from uptrend to downtrend.
I'm not very sure whether I have done it correctly.
Kindly let me know if there is anything incorrect or not precise.
Thought would be easy using image editor, end up it took very long.
Hopefully there won't be anymore that kind of exercise.

For the pattern, there is 'compressions'? What is it actually?

Btw, since you know the method quite well, do you think there is another way to pass the knowledge instead of using the same way employed by Jack?
I wish that you can guide us with your own way which you can think can convey better.
I understood Jack has taught this for many many years. Maybe he used to teach that way.
However, same like math teachers. Students can understand math better while being taught by teacher A than by teacher B. Teacher A may not necessarily better in math than teacher B.
I have no doubt that Jack really want to help others. Otherwise he wouldn't want to spend times to teach, provide answers and make so many postings.

Thanks a million @Sprout for your tremendous help.
Hopefully you don't get tired of me.

 

[sd2005]

This is what’s been developed, https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/software-used-to-trade-jack-hershey-methods.97684/

I sure any contributions you make would be welcomed.

There are also Spydertrader’s Equity Treads where there is quite a bit of logic.

Hi @Sprout ,

Thanks for the pointer.
Is there script to annotate price and volume bars?
For price case is quite easy. But the rest..

 

[Simples]

Hi @SproutFor the pattern, there is 'compressions'? What is it actually?

Volatility compression is the opposite of volatility expansion. Depending on your frame of reference, you may spot compression at pauses or turns, ending in a sym-like price structure before RTL BO.

Jack used to refer to CCC (Congestion, Convergence and Centering) alot, although lesser so later. CCC is time of day or bars in chart where volume (trading) tapers off. Tends to make price do the CCC, making sidelining more and more appropriate action. More CCC and less volume, makes for more unpredictable turns.

 

[sd2005]

This stuff is hard, yet oh so simple. When Jack said a 5th grader with crayons could do it, he was speaking true.

When I got frustrated and not making progress, I would do a couple of different things;

Go back to a last known good. Rework from here examining my bias and do ‘what if’s’ to explore alternatives.

Go take a nap with the question in my mind.

Actively search with new keywords, also building long-tail keywords.

Pickup a printed thread and go to a coffee shop/library/park/cafe to change my surroundings and read something not on a computer.

Go take a walk in the woods. Sometimes pondering, most times just ‘being.’

Take a break and do the next fun thing.

Just remind yourself, you got this, answers will come.

Cheers!


ps. I know that you think it would just be easier if I or someone else just told you the correct answer. It might be easier but it is detrimental to building capacity.

When I worked through it, having helpful guidance was essential at times for sure but then there came a point where Jack had moved on (bless his soul) and there were never gonna be ‘correct answers’ other than what I could derive from the market and the artifacts of his work.

Something he always said is that your answers come from a partnership with the market and listening to what the market is telling you.

Be confident, everything will fall into place, everything is working out for you.

Hi @Sprout,

Actually I prefer to get the correct answer too.
We want to do the drill, do logging. But we don't know 100% how to perform it.
Of course we want to partner with and able to listen the market.
Learning new language / communicate with the market doesn't mean that one need to know 70% of the new language vocabulary. Even with few words of the new language, one can start communicate and expand the vocab by keep communicating.

Also, after knowing MADA, still we need to test it for 20 days. During that time we can 'expand' our vocab further and asking questions. Then, during this time, we can even learn a lot more, get answer from / listening market.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[sd2005]

Volatility compression is the opposite of volatility expansion. Depending on your frame of reference, you may spot compression at pauses or turns, ending in a sym-like price structure before RTL BO.

Jack used to refer to CCC (Congestion, Convergence and Centering) alot, although lesser so later. CCC is time of day or bars in chart where volume (trading) tapers off. Tends to make price do the CCC, making sidelining more and more appropriate action. More CCC and less volume, makes for more unpredictable turns.

Thank you @Simples .
I will update and upload a new version.

 

[Sprout]

Well.... my determination, willness, capacity of doing a thorough and diligent work are extraordinary as you previously said, and I understand today that you were right.

AND (when I see your reactivity last days)

THEN, so are your devotion, self-gestion, generosity, patience and level of accomplishment !!!! I would even say, out of this world. Although when the teacher receives compliments from a student it does not have the same impact than in the opposite sense, let me tell you : to me, you are a BEAST ..that's really impressive. Thank you for being here.




It will seriously begin to be hard for me to understand how you manage to rely the moments when I actively work, ask questions, dissect things, sacrifice it all for the stuff and go deeper into the core of the method

AND

when I'm psyching myself out.

It seems like when I enter precisely into the things, you say I'm psyching myself out. Doing so (entering deeper in the core), does stress, yes it does. Remember you were in the past on a thread in ET, saying that your personal journey led you to the "well I can't even get up of my bed". Do you consider you were psyching yourself out ?

If you do not, then I am wrong when I interpret your "you're psyching yourself out" as a negative thing, negative compared to the positiveness that reaching "the point where there is no reason not to be in the market at any time" embodies.

Each time you tell me "you're psyching yourself out", I hear "you're going away from the path, you're stressing yourself, and that's not good, take a break or you'll wreck yourself".

That is, for me, both a good and a bad thing. It's a bad thing in itself (going away from the path), but as you may know, nothing IS in itself, it only IS compared to what it is NOT. All is no thing but a relation. And then, it's also a good thing (going away from the path) cause it lets you warn me i'm doing so, which lets me operate the necessary temporary things to go back on the path with a better mindset.

So, in totality, all this is very positive to me, and thank you very much for that.



Fine for me



Thank you very very much for this, all will be done.


True. I did, of course, knew a TL can either be fanned or accelerated. Your question did just not make me think about this, because in this case, there was just no possibility to ACC the RTL. I didn't get chat you expected me to. Got you now. I just notice the answers are sometimes way more obvious and easy than I think -> that's what you surely call "psyching yourself out". The big question is -> how can one detect when he's doing so ?. I know this answer already Gonne be applied to myself when I click on the "Post Reply" after writing up this post.



Thanks a lot, this will be done. I'll also search what WHN stands for, i don't have it in mind at the moment.



This is both euphoriant and creepy


I know this. No need to be in a perfect mastering of any of JHM to know it. I know it. But I might add, that if you put any 5th grader in front of "how the work has been presented, exposed and detailed", then it becomes totally impossible for any of them to do so.

What would be closer to reality would be saying "if @Sprout , from his level of mastering and after all he's been through, explained to a 5th grader how to do the work and what work to do, he could do it"



I must definitely need this. Thank you, and see you soon.


Meanwhile, take highly care of you and very best wishes in your work

WHN = what happening now

 

[Sprout]

Nice try, but nope.

Here is the correctly annotated "tape". Definitely not an ftt.

View attachment 198807

Sorry, but those are incorrect ID’s of volume. Your’re own past couple of posts say as much. The 2nd T2P cannot be a T2P.

You’ll Have a difficult time getting the outputs of the Mondrian table to produce the correct number of turns and trend types for 30-40 trades a day on 5m ES.

You can certainly prove your point with a log and show the turns and trend types as per this perspective and interpretation you are viewing the rdbms from.

Your posts are consistent from a SCT perspective, and rdbms tracks trend segments. That’s what gives it greater precision than the b2b2r2b and r2r2b2r gaussian formations of SCT.

Even when a zone has been activated, if no bar volume falls within that zone, the trend is known to be ‘advancing’ thus looking at successive bands would clear some ID’s.

Following that would be to accelerate the TL’s to ‘carve’ turns. This generates more FS outputs of the system. Since FS’s are subsets of the main sets, it is still fractally consistent in terms of IDing turns.