Sadly, the American public has been sold a bill of goods by the financial establsihment. Eg. you have to be in it for the long haul. Shorting has infinite loss. You can't time the markets. If you miss the best 5 days per year you won't achieve long term statistical gains.,, ad nauseum. Maybe most can't time the markets (lack trading skills, have a full time day job, etc.) but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize losses and go to cash.Quote from Eight:
Buy and hold has to be done so infrequently it's only for a retirement program for somebody that starts young...What you are gambling on is that the American economy will eventually grow some more. That has always worked and it is the only strategy a young worker needs to retire in good shape, at least in the past.
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Every time I have taken a position in a stock, I have to wait and wait to see where it goes. Despite all of the analysis...sometimes it all turns out to be wrong and I am saddled with losses. The conventional wisdom out there is that the majority of people who daytrade do not make money. Daytrading is sinful, for losers and anything else is better....
However, the most money I have made in the markets is through daytrading (combined with careful use of risk management and the beloved stop/loss). After long sessions of staring at a screen, the moves in price become a no-brainer. Price seems to follow trend lines and conventional patterns until they dont. When they dont, then you just rely on the stop/loss.
For many people, position or swing trading is where its at. I dont make any money off of that type of trading. Trading on the day where my money is in hand by day's end is how I make my profit.
While you will read about amazing trades on ET and other blogs of great position trading, its what you dont read that you should carefully consider. Many authors of message threads and blogs will never reveal their losing trades. Sometimes you may see me make some awful calls and I look as if I am the worst trader out there. The reality is that I publish what I feel no matter the case. Other bloggers will simply only reveal winning trades.
Daytrading is a forte for myself, however. I dont believe money can be made over the long-term through position trading or buy/hold. There may come a day some 10 years from now when it will be back, but trading on the day where cash is in your hands at the end is where its at...
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I hate to bring this up but if you are afraid of gaps, they are more common intraday than outside of it...
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Day trading comes from 2 simple mentalities:
Irrational fear of overnight
Desire for "fast money"
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The problem with day trading is that 6 months charts still "spill over" into intra day. If a financial instrument is "doomed" a person sitting looking at a 1/3/5 min chart will not have a warning. In essence you still have to understand what is going on "up there".
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Day trading comes from 2 simple mentalities:
Irrational fear of overnight
Quote from Bolimomo:
The 2 simple mentalities you cited are not entirely true.
#1)
"Irrational" fear. I don't know why you said they are irrational. You are probably saying "fearing death from a plane crash" is irrational, "fearing your house be burnt down by fire" is irrational. They are not irrational. The probability of such occurrences is low. But they are not irrational. What's wrong with people choosing to travel on the road instead of flying? What's wrong with people buying house insurance or choose not to live inside a forrest. It is a choice. It is a way of risk management. Day traders have made a choice: they don't want to accept a gapping risk.
If you had held even just 1000 shares of RIMM Thursday night short, you would have waken up with a loss of $15000 on your swing trade. What's so irrational about it?
#2)
"Fast money". You made it sound like day traders are all greedy bastards who want to make a quick buck. How about seeing it as a way of getting a higher probability of winning and minimizing risks? Have you seen the markets having a "fire and ice" behavior from one day to the next - a big rally followed by a sell-off? In trading, that's "3 steps forward and 2 steps back". In day trading, we want to trade when we feel that the odds are more in our favor, long or short. For me, it's much easier to predict a stock's likely run for the next hour than the next 3 days to 2 weeks.
There is no doubt that swing trading can make good money. But so can day trading or buy-and-hold. They are just all different approaches.