Majority of UK covid hospitalizations are fully vaxxed

[Buy1Sell2]

I don’t agree with this. Many credible experts (not kooks) believe we are underestimating the total number of infections and only capturing the true number in fractions. So we are never going to have an accurate CFR. The hospitalizations to death is a better metric to understand mortality among the severely symptomatic. We’ll most likely not have a good CFR due to the nature of Covid.


And I get this is something the weirdos on this board are going to grab onto but they don’t understand the importance of not running our healthcare system and the general health of the population into the ground. Death is important but it isn’t the only metric of importance. Widespread Covid has incredible economic and public health detriments.

Lock-downs and liberty-grabs are more detrimental.

 

[UsualName]

Lock-downs and liberty-grabs are more detrimental.

Whatever dude. You’ll be getting your vaccine or you’ll be out of a job a d barred from many establishments sooner or later so you might as well kick rocks the whole time.

 

[Buy1Sell2]

Whatever dude. You’ll be getting your vaccine or you’ll be out of a job a d barred from many establishments sooner or later so you might as well kick rocks the whole time.

Your posting has nothing to do with what I pointed out quite correctly-----Lock-downs and liberty-grabs are more detrimental.

 

[gwb-trading]

I don’t agree with this. Many credible experts (not kooks) believe we are underestimating the total number of infections and only capturing the true number in fractions. So we are never going to have an accurate CFR. The hospitalizations to death is a better metric to understand mortality among the severely symptomatic. We’ll most likely not have a good CFR due to the nature of Covid.


And I get this is something the weirdos on this board are going to grab onto but they don’t understand the importance of not running our healthcare system and the general health of the population into the ground. Death is important but it isn’t the only metric of importance. Widespread Covid has incredible economic and public health detriments.

First it is important to understand the difference between the proven Case Fatality Rate (CFR) and the estimated Infection Fatality Rate (IFR). The Case Fatality Rate is based on the proven positive cases based on test results and the documented number of deaths due to COVID. The Infection Fatality Rate is based on the estimated number of infections divided by deaths.

In countries that have readily available COVID testing, it is estimated that there are three COVID infections in the population for each proven case. This figure is backed by other disease surveillance measures such as the testing of sewage by cities.

In the U.S. over the past months -- the CFR for COVID has generally been around 2% while the IFR has been around 0.55%. Based on the three infections for each proven case scenario -- these figures make sense. I will note that both CFR and IFR have been dropping over time thanks to vaccination and improved treatments - CFR is now near 1.78% in the U.S.

CFR, which is proven, is used typically used as the scientific measure for tracking the fatality rate and virulence of a disease.

 

[wrbtrader]

Anecdotal at the moment. We don’t know the reasons for the .1% uptick. And we’ve discussed the CFR in unvaccinated, it dropped below 2% before the vaccine came out. Treatment for covid is lightyears from the early stages of the pandemic.

I’d like to compare the hospitalization and severe sickness percentages in vaccinated to unvaccinated patients, but none exist. At least I haven’t found them. Imo the powers that be don’t want them published.

Israel and the UK will be a good indicator for the US once it’s fully vaxxed. But the figures coming out of those countries aren’t the rosy picture the MSM is painting here.

The percentages are published on a local level and you'll probably start seeing the nationwide data published within the next few months along with more information about the efficacy of each specific vaccine.

Also, you must be careful with the word "vaccine" when being used in general because too many people either not aware that a country's vaccines are different than another countries type of vaccines. You can see a difference of 1 - 3 types of vaccines depending upon the country...some may have more vaccines that you've never heard about before.

Another issue, in one country they may have been vaccinated...for example, their migrant worker population is largely vaccinated with one type of vaccine, and the regular population with a different vaccine. Then you go to another country around the world...their migrant worker population is vaccinated with a completely different vaccine and so one goes the confusing data about vaccination.

• I've even seen different cities within the same country... they are vaccinated largely with a different vaccine in comparison to another city in the same country.

Simply, vaccines in Isreal and UK are not a good indicator of the United States or vice versa. Another issue, some countries are mixing vaccines while others are not mixing their vaccine.

• Mixing equates to 1st dose one type of vaccine and the 2nd dose a different type of vaccine.

Another concerning issue not often discussed and may become problematic...some countries had briefly open their borders to travelers and then closed the borders again or they only allowed a certain entry into their country by those vaccinated with a type of vaccine and not allowing other types of individuals vaccinated with a different type of vaccine to enter their country.

By the way, there are dozens of vaccine tracking websites that track the number of fully vaccinated, partially vaccinated and those not vaccinated. Unfortunately, they don't track those categories for each specific vaccine nor the regions of each vaccine in a specific country.

All of the above makes it very difficult to track the efficacy of any specific vaccine in comparison to what was stated by the vaccine maker when the vaccine was first approved along with the fact that Covid is very smart...it will easily adapt (mutate) as it is exposed to those that are not vaccinated or vaccinated from a different country.

It's living up to its name very good...Novel Coronavirus in which researchers and scientists are learning something new every week. Many government policies to protect its citizens will change because the virus changes.

The dust will not settle until 2022 or 2023.

wrbtrader

 

[LacesOut]

GWB posted that 12 people globally have died from the vaccine.
And so many other lies with no source.

He’s a vaccine priest who’s wife work for J&J or Moderna and so he gets hard every time a record is added to VAERS.

 

[LacesOut]

First it is important to understand the difference between the proven Case Fatality Rate (CFR) and the estimated Infection Fatality Rate (IFR). The Case Fatality Rate is based on the proven positive cases based on test results and the documented number of deaths due to COVID. The Infection Fatality Rate is based on the estimated number of infections divided by deaths.

In countries that have readily available COVID testing, it is estimated that there are three COVID infections in the population for each proven case. This figure is backed by other disease surveillance measures such as the testing of sewage by cities.

In the U.S. over the past months -- the CFR for COVID has generally been around 2% while the IFR has been around 0.55%. Based on the three infections for each proven case scenario -- these figures make sense. I will note that both CFR and IFR have been dropping over time thanks to vaccination and improved treatments - CFR is now near 1.78% in the U.S.

CFR, which is proven, is used typically used as the scientific measure for tracking the fatality rate and virulence of a disease.

CFR is NOT proven. It’s a completely inaccurate representation because it’s based on testing which is both flawed and incongruent.
Go back and check to see how badly your proven numbers have failed.

 

[jem]

A reliable CFR is not going to be calculated if you have no ability to detect all the cases.


His bullshit about known cases is... very misleading....
Its a useless number if known cases is an unknown small fraction of the actual cases.

Confirmed cases, if an intelligent analysis of policy is to be considered, presumes that eventually you will have a reasonably accurate tally of all the cases.



https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/estimating-mortality-from-covid-19

Reliable CFRs that can be used to assess the deadliness of an outbreak and evaluate any implemented public health measures are generally obtained at the end of an outbreak, after all cases have been resolved (affected individuals either died or recovered). However, this calculation may not hold in an ongoing epidemic, because it makes two assumptions:

 

[gwb-trading]

CFR is NOT proven. It’s a completely inaccurate representation because it’s based on testing which is both flawed and incongruent.
Go back and check to see how badly your proven numbers have failed.

By definition CFR is the PROVEN Case Fatality Rate. Go talk to some scientific disease educators to you stop expressing continual ignorance.

Trying to claim that false positive or false negative tests have introduced errors in western countries on some sort of scale which impacts the CFR figure is laughable. But this is the typical nonsense put forward by clowns who claim that COVID is just a "little flu".

 

[jem]

by the definition I just showed you that the CFR is supposed be reliable for examining policy and response. .
This CFR during the pandemic for Covid will never be a reliable and useful indicator. ...

for instance... the NIH released a study about a month ago finding that for every positive case in their database (which they examined) there were 4 more cases with antibodies... from the spring of 2020. Now how many more people had antibodies which waned. How many more fought the virus off without needing antibodies but had been exposed.

By definition CFR is the PROVEN Case Fatality Rate. Go talk to some scientific disease educators to you stop expressing continual ignorance.

Trying to claim that false positive or false negative tests have introduced errors in western countries on some sort of scale which impacts the CFR figure is laughable. But this is the typical nonsense put forward by clowns who claim that COVID is just a "little flu".