It's just not that lethal to the US population as a whole. --Time to pull the power back from the Marxists/Statists/Liberals and get back to normal. (it's been that time for 16 months and even decades before that)
Majority of UK covid hospitalizations are fully vaxxed
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That makes zero sense. What makes sense is that the unvaccinated already got the virus, developed the antibodies and are no longer contracting the illness. Proof that immune systems work. Science and biology. Immunity. Just like the doctor described on the first page of this thread.
Unfortunately you've got yourself quite confused. Of course I didn't show the "death rate of vaxxed vs unvaxxed"..not directly anyway. You asked for CDC data showing that the chances of dying from Covid, if you're doubly vaccinated, are near zero. That is what I responded to. Will next you be complaining that I didn't give you the number of air bag failures in the U.S. last year?
Here's what I showed in post#114. These numbers, 791 and 159E6, came directly from the CDC:
((791 U.S. deaths among fully vaccinated)/(>159 Million fully vaccinated)) x 100 = 0.0005%
To be clear, 791 is the number of doubly vaccinated individuals who have died in the U.S. from their Covid infections. It is NOT "all the deaths WITH COVID pre vax and lump[ed] together" as you claimed. The denominator of that equation is the CDC's estimate of the total number of fully vaccinated individuals at that same point in time to which the 791 figure pertains. The calculated percent could slightly overestimate, most likely to an insignificant extent, the probability of dying today from Covid, if fully vaccinated. This is because the fraction of the population vaccinated twice during the course of the study would likely have increased and continues to increase. We know, increasing the fraction of vaccinated reduces significantly the odds of infection of unvaccinated individuals, and to a smaller degree, breakthrough infections in the fully vaccinated.
This of course is CDC data as of a certain point in time. (see post 114) The numbers now will have changed slightly but will yield a virtually identical result.
The second point I want to make clear is that the number you quoted, "99.1% survival" among all age groups is missing a reference to it's source, so it is impossible to say at what stage in the pandemic and to what specific population it applies. Lets see if we can figure out where it may have come from.
Let's assume your the 99.1% survival for the entire population and do some quick calculations, which we can do in our heads with simple exponential arithmetic. If a survival rate is 99.1 percent, fractionally 0.991, then 991,000 survive out of million cases, and 9,000 die, on average.
Now, with the aid of CDC data, lets compare this overall survival rate you quoted with the survival of only the doubly vaccinated.
If 0.0005% doubly vaccinated die, fractionally 0.000005, then out of 1 million, on average, 5 doubly vaccinated would die. Therefore using these estimates we would estimate the odds of the unvaccinated dying, relative to the fully vaccinated, to be 9,000/5, or 1800 times greater.
For fun, let's estimate, in our heads again, to 2 significant digits, a death rate (number dying per 100) using Wkipedia data. As of 23 hours ago, 3.4E7 covid cases have been reported in the U.S.(A case is any confirmed, symptomatic covid infection, all ages all degrees of vaccination, including the non-vaccinated):
Out of a U.S. population of ~3.2E8, as of 23 hours ago there have been 6.1E5 deaths and 3.4E7 cases. The death rate per hundred relative to cases (which is the rate usually compared when comparing death rates among various diseases) is (6.1E5/3.4E7)100 = 2%. This is in line with what we see reported elsewhere. This is the number you need if you want to compare covid death rate to, for example, widely available estimates of influenza death rates expressed as percent.
Now lets calculate a comparable death rate relative not to confirmed cases but rather to the entire population: (6.1E5/3.2E8)100 = 0.2%
What then is the corresponding survival rate relative to the entire population? A death rate per hundred of 0.2% corresponds to a survival rate of 99.8 %
It seems the 99.1% survival rate you quoted, underestimates the survival rate for the entire population (all ages) by ~ 0.7%!
How could this have happened! Had it come from early in the pandemic, an overestimate rather than an underestimate of survival rate would have resulted!
My best guess is that your estimate of covid survival rate for the entire population came from an incompetent person's ass or mouth, maybe both. Having said that, I am confident you'll bend over backwards now to find this estimate of a 99.1% survival rate somewhere in a CDC pronouncement. But don't bother. I am already convinced it came from one of four possible sources: 1. Donald Trump's Mouth , 2. Alex Jones' Info Wars ; 3. Our own, inimitable Buy1Sell2 , or 4. The Dark Side of the Moon.
References:
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=total+U.S.+Deaths+from+Covid
And Post#114 , this thread.
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A while back, the odds of dying from Covid for the unvaccinated were ~1800 times greater than if you were doubly vaccinated. (see my post #133). The relative odds may still be improving for the unvaccinated, but not by much. Its a nasty bug with long lasting after effects in some of the survivors. The mother of my young banker friend was the picture of health. Acquired Covid in a small town, didn't think she needed to wear a mask. Was initially miss-diagnosed. Hospitalized, then repeated bouts in and out of the ICU, and now may be on dialysis for the rest of her life. Don't gamble with this very dangerous virus!
I am tireless in my attempts to bring some sanity to this Covid business. The ability to think logically among a number of traders here seems is surprisingly weak. One thing I will say is that if you want to learn, you must put some effort into it. No one can do it for you without some serious effort on your part. I have given you the official data. I have shown you how to go about computing the various rates of infection and death you will find in the literature and the media. In every case where a % calculation is quoted you must take the trouble to find out how the denominator is defined and its magnitude. It certainly isn't rocket science. You'll have to read carefully and study what I posted if you want to get anything out of it. It's up to you. If you do that , you will discover that , yes, Covid is dangerous. Covid without vaccination is not to be compared with ordinary influenza virus with vaccination. The mRNA Covid vaccines available in the U.S. are surprisingly effective, with a low incidence of serious side effectsl
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The "Doctor" quickly discovered he had erred in his remarks and retracted them. Your hypothesis may be a good one -- I don't think so however. Why not run it by your local immunologist or epidemiologist and see what they think. It is too late to try your theories out on smallpox, diphtheria, and polio. We got through Mumps and Measles just fine without a vaccine , well maybe not just fine, but we did get through them, well at least most of us got through them. Perhaps we've made a horrible mistake and should just have let nature take it's course. I don't think so though, but then i have limited interest in Roulette.
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Dude you couldn’t even discern UK data from US data for days.
Your stats are utter garbage.
Go form a line for your booster shot. Your 10 weeks of imperfect immunity is waning.
Everyone should watch this, Dr. Seheult, with Medcram, discussing studies showing prior infection provides similar protection against Covid as vaccines, except the Delta variant. Interesting?
Also to note, single dose mRNA provide no better protection in those with no previous infection than those unvaccinated.
Seems your immune system needs a second jolt to protect itself against Delta. Either 2doses or previously infected with a single vax.
Also to note, single dose mRNA provide no better protection in those with no previous infection than those unvaccinated.
Seems your immune system needs a second jolt to protect itself against Delta. Either 2doses or previously infected with a single vax.
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