Major apartment developer: 'There is an acute crisis headed our way' say it ain't so...

So "not a part-time job" doesn't mean full time job?

We just have to agree to disagree.

Volatility of returns of owner/landlord of handful of single family rental homes is even worse than apartment reits. Just ask all those owners of rental properties of florida, arizona and some california. Their risk is very unsystematic.
 
Absolutely false.
I’ve had multiple rental properties for the last 6 years.

A beach bungalow 3 beds/1bath first house off the beach that rented weekly from Memorial Day- Mid September then became a seasonal “winter rental” from Oct-Apr.
In 5 summers I had to go to the property a total of 4 times. Zero in the winter (except the winter I had the bathroom and kitchen upgraded before I put it on the market. Stopped in maybe three times).
All rentals were done online through VRBO, prepaid with deposit to cover damages that I would return (never had to keep a dollar).
My cleaning lady would leave a key for them in a spot on the porch. Never once had an issue (I would only rent to families, NEVER to a group of 20-something’s like so many other beach houses would do).

Another yearly rental 4 beds/2 baths I’ve been to exactly twice in three years. Once because the tenant’s were away and I was having a new refrigerator delivered, once for a leak in the ceiling that my handyman took care of.

Another yearly place 3 bed/2bath was the only exception. My first time being a landlord- I didn’t properly vet the tenant and she turned out to be a pain in the ass deadbeat.
Got her out and the new people who have been there (in their third year now) are fantastic. Had to go there once this past January when the heating unit was on its last legs during that crazy cold snap in the NE in early January.

All my properties are within 10 minutes of my home and I have a fantastic retired GC who does any handyman work that I need.

Believe me, I know there are horror stories about being a landlord. But after my first tenant I learned to properly vet applicants and hold out for well qualified tenants.
I get paid by check or cash on time and in full, have had as close to full occupancy as you can hope for, no major issues, and the properties have all appreciated nicely.

Been some of the best investments I’ve done and mostly passive IMO.

Buying solid properties, keeping them in good condition, having a trustworthy handyman, and GETTING GOOD SOLID HARDWORKING TENANTS are the keys to making landlording a passive business and not a part time job.
What you described is hardly passive.
 
What you described is hardly passive.

+1
Along with believing some how single stock (residential investment property) is 50% less risky than index. It is turning portfolio theory on its head.

Enron employees who invested entire their retirement savings in their company also believed their company was fantastic, knew everything and thought less risky
 
Imagine just one tiny little blip in the economy and all these luxury developments start to sit idle with no renters or buyers.....yea it's going to happen. It always does.

These luxury developments are everywhere....in the last decade there have been millions of units up for rent, most of them priced sky high, and that's only because of the 10 year old bull market that's in place and the job market being plentiful....none of these luxury home developers have felt any slow down at all since the great bull market started running, so to hear there is an over supply shouldn't phase anyone. With wages absolutely stagnant and renters paying a third of their income to rent, any inkling of a slowdown could have this entire market seeing red for years. I know of a few people that pay 2000-3000 a month to live in these amenity filled buildings...it's mostly millennials....most of them haven't lived through a recession or an era of extreme high unemployment....and as prices of these high end rentals keep going higher and wages go absolutely no where eventually it will catch up with most of these builders who think it can keep going and going. One inkling of a recession and there goes that entire luxury market of high end rentals....




Major apartment developer: 'There is an acute crisis headed our way'



  • The luxury market is largely overbuilt, while there is a shortage of affordable rental housing.
  • Lower- and middle-income households are spending proportionally more on their rent, says apartment developer Toby Bozzuto.
  • Nearly half of all renter households pay more than 30 percent of their income for housing.


Scan the downtowns of the nation's largest cities, and you are likely to see a staggering array of cranes.

Most of them are helping to build luxury apartment buildings. In fact, multifamily construction is now at a 40-year high; the trouble is, developers are putting up the wrong kinds of buildings. The luxury market is largely overbuilt, while there is a shortage of affordable rental housing, and developers are hamstrung by the now record-high cost of construction.

Apartment completions in the 150 largest U.S. cities jumped to 395,775 units in 2017, beating 2016 production by a staggering 46 percent and more than doubling the long-term average, according to RealPage, an apartment management software and data company. Luxury, upscale buildings accounted for between 75 and 80 percent of the new supply in the current cycle.

Overbuilding is clearly the issue.

You can see it with new apartment starts all across the country, it isn’t isolated.

When your mortgage can be $1,100 with taxes included while you’ve got to pay $1,500 or more to rent a much smaller and more compacted place. It’s quite a conundrum. They can’t even rent at full cap but still charge that much.

I realize profits of landlords need to be included but that is incredible how far it drifts from a realistic market when everyone is employed.
(Speaking of Texas here)
 
What you described is hardly passive.
Really?
So a handful of hours in a full year isn’t “passive”?

The IRS doesn’t agree with you-

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_income

Passive income is income resulting from cash flow received on a regular basis, requiring minimal to no effort by the recipient to maintain it.”

“Some examples of passive income are:

 
Overbuilding is clearly the issue.

You can see it with new apartment starts all across the country, it isn’t isolated.

When your mortgage can be $1,100 with taxes included while you’ve got to pay $1,500 or more to rent a much smaller and more compacted place. It’s quite a conundrum. They can’t even rent at full cap but still charge that much.

I realize profits of landlords need to be included but that is incredible how far it drifts from a realistic market when everyone is employed.
(Speaking of Texas here)


Oh it's certainly not isolated....as for renting vs owning there is always a debate in that situation...some prefer to rent because ownership of a house has too much overhead, heavy taxes, repairs etc....I know many renters and I see what they pay to rent these one and two bedrooms, on average they are paying more than $1800 a month..I went with with a friend of mine last year and spoke with the sales reps, you could only sign one year leases with rents on average moving upwards of 4-7% A YEAR!!!!, I said not for nothing but those are some ludacris raises after one year...see right now landlords have the market covered, they keep jacking up rents as if these great times will last forever, they are squeezing the consumer however it's also the dumb consumer who also keeps paying these higher rental prices....that of course will change soon. Rents in my opinion are peaking....I stopped renting years ago...I now pay 1/2 of what one would pay to rent a place my size.....so buying was actually a benefit for me. Do you know how much mortgage you can afford with a $2000 monthly rent!! I tell this to so may people I know....for approximately every $500 you can take out a $100,000 mortgage.... another thing though is that most don't have 20% to pluck down on a new place....anyway going to be interesting to see what happens once these high end luxury rentals can't capture the rents they Are getting now....there is no game plan, maybe a months free month, maybe free parking for a year, eliminating the pet fees of $50 a month for a dog....my friend pays an additional $1400 a year for a dog and covered parking...whewwww....
 
Oh it's certainly not isolated....as for renting vs owning there is always a debate in that situation...some prefer to rent because ownership of a house has too much overhead, heavy taxes, repairs etc....I know many renters and I see what they pay to rent these one and two bedrooms, on average they are paying more than $1800 a month..I went with with a friend of mine last year and spoke with the sales reps, you could only sign one year leases with rents on average moving upwards of 4-7% A YEAR!!!!, I said not for nothing but those are some ludacris raises after one year...see right now landlords have the market covered, they keep jacking up rents as if these great times will last forever, they are squeezing the consumer however it's also the dumb consumer who also keeps paying these higher rental prices....that of course will change soon. Rents in my opinion are peaking....I stopped renting years ago...I now pay 1/2 of what one would pay to rent a place my size.....so buying was actually a benefit for me. Do you know how much mortgage you can afford with a $2000 monthly rent!! I tell this to so may people I know....for approximately every $500 you can take out a $100,000 mortgage.... another thing though is that most don't have 20% to pluck down on a new place....anyway going to be interesting to see what happens once these high end luxury rentals can't capture the rents they Are getting now....there is no game plan, maybe a months free month, maybe free parking for a year, eliminating the pet fees of $50 a month for a dog....my friend pays an additional $1400 a year for a dog and covered parking...whewwww....

It’s incredible what they get away with,
and I thought it was just the luxury of not having grass to cut *wink wink*
 
Yeah so let me buy a call option your house where you carry the majority of the risk and then market it as some kind of thing helping you buy a home. This shit sucks badly and is symptomatic of a market that is no longer structurally sound nor respectful of the fact that one's primary residence is a liability, not an investment.

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