Madoff Victims Want Fed Bailout Too!

Quote from stock777:

Well RE was clearly and out in the open a ponzi scheme. You could see the greater fools for miles.


Madoff was hidden.

So are stocks at a 20 pe or even a 13.

There is always the risk you managers is b.s. - just a few years back palm beach had the maricopa guy do the same thing.

(by the way I tried to get out fo RE but my wife went nuts when I had offers to sell.)
 
Quote from Capablanca:

SIPC is there to protect all investors covered by it. All these other investors are hurt when it is asked to cover claims it isn't supposed to. On the other hand, if there is a legitimate claim they better cover it or it will be shown to be useless protection.

What I am not clear on is whether Madoff's fund qualifies as an entity that deserves SIPC help. With a fund there is an explicit acknowledgment that returns aren't guaranteed and that you can lose all your funds. That isn't quite the same with a brokerage account the money in which one does not expect to be put at risk unless directed.

I have zero legal expertise in this matter but my gut reaction is that they should be covered up to 500k if they had an account with the brokerage and they lost stuff due to its collapse that they otherwise wouldn't have at another brokerage. If they lost money because of the collapse of the fund, however, it should be tough luck not a penny back.

Madoff wasn't running a fund. He was running a collection of managed accounts and managed accounts are covered under SIPC.
 
Quote from omegapoint:

President of SIPC testifies that they're only funded to 1.5 billion, so looks like taxpayers are on the hook for that too. How can they advertise that trillions of dollars worth of investment is "insured" when all they are funded to is 1.5 billion? Do you know where your funds are? Or how solvent your broker is?

Right. Yet more proof that the biggest Ponzi schemes and most irresponsibly run insurance companies are dreamed up and run by the political class.

SIPC can't cover the obligations because it's not properly funded - just like AIG. The SEC wouldn't properly investigate Madoff because he was a big political donor and very well connected. Remind me again why people are so eager to give government a bigger role in "protecting" us?
 
Quote from stock777:

Copeland you @nus with legs, what issues does Firefox have? I use it all day with a minimum of fuss.

Clearly you are a mentally handicapped anti semite.

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Minimum of fuss, why fuss at all. Try and remove it and see what kind of fuss you get.

I'm not against anyone. How ever if you look at the past criminals on Wall Street you will see that most of the biggest frauds perpetrated on Wall Street were by Jews.

I can’t help that, I didn’t have anything to do with it, them is just the facts.

I happen to be of Christian faith and believe Christians and Jews have been doing battle together since the crusaders.

Maybe it makes you feel good to label someone prejudice but I’m not.
 
What did she live on until now? She probably derived an income from the Ponzi like returns of the fund. If that's the case, weren't those returns fraudulent? Didn't she benefit from the scam? Should she sell her furniture and give the proceeds to the investors that didn't get any income at all?
 
Quote from Aaron Copland:

Minimum of fuss, why fuss at all. Try and remove it and see what kind of fuss you get.

I'm not against anyone. How ever if you look at the past criminals on Wall Street you will see that most of the biggest frauds perpetrated on Wall Street were by Jews.

I can’t help that, I didn’t have anything to do with it, them is just the facts.

I happen to be of Christian faith and believe Christians and Jews have been doing battle together since the crusaders.

Maybe it makes you feel good to label someone prejudice but I’m not.

I wouldn't say that Christianity is better or more genuine than any other religion. I would say that it has been a very successful mix with capitalism. In a round about way, if you delve into the history of Christianity, you'll see that it was alleged to have been created/promoted by the Piso family of Rome circa AD 200. It was originally promoted to help run the businesses at the time. The Roman empire was run by millions of slaves. The Jewish religion was against slavery but Christianity preached that the meek shall inherit the earth.

Christianity mixed well later on with Capitalism because it promoted honesty and other qualities that were essential to run fair business. I believe that it was a big reason that Western business has done so well in the last few hundred years. Now with the current decline in religion and it's values will we also see a corresponding decline in business? Can you make secular laws to cover right and wrong in every business situation? If Madoff had a good religious conscience, be it Jewish, Christian, Muslim or anything, he would never have done what he did.
 
Proof of concept: Copeland is a nitwit, not worthy of any consideration at all.

Firefox kicks IE's ass, and he's knocking it.

Moron
 
Quote from jem:

So are stocks at a 20 pe or even a 13.

There is always the risk you managers is b.s. - just a few years back palm beach had the maricopa guy do the same thing.

(by the way I tried to get out fo RE but my wife went nuts when I had offers to sell.)

It should have read.

There is always risk of fund manager b.s.
 
These investors should all get together and set a major precedent:

Sue the SEC for allowing this scheme to go undetected for over a decade.
 
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