Mad Dog Mattis is not a big fan of Putin

[fhl]

What the fuck is all this globalist crap you bring up? Right we need some asshole calling us telling us when and were to do business.

How did the isolationism of the 20s and 30s turn out?

Clinton tried to kiss up to Putin. How did that turn out? Bush tried to kiss up to Putin. How did that turn out? Obama tried to kiss up to Putin. How did that turn out? Trump and his pompom boys are kissing up to Putin, I guess some people are slow learners.

You folks have really painted yourselves into a corner, haven't you?

You assholes want to invade and overthrow yet another gov't in the middle east, (syria), and if that wasn't bad enough, you partner up with rebels which include al qaeda and isis, the worst scum of the earth people in existence on this planet.

And the world is supposed to pretend this isn't happening, emperor with no clothes style, and claim that Putin and Russia needs to be stopped from an evil expansionist agenda. As Putin fights isis, which is who we should be fighting, you people instead want to overthrow governments.

And now that your preferred candidates all want to line up with Obama and Hillary Clinton in taking a hard stand against Putin, you claim that it's Trump who wants to line himself up with Obama and Hillary Clinton.

You've gone soft in the head. You're derangement isn't working out too well in helping you form logical arguments.

 

[wildchild]

You assholes want to invade and overthrow yet another gov't in the middle east, (syria), and if that wasn't bad enough, you partner up with rebels which include al qaeda and isis, the worst scum of the earth people in existence on this planet.

And the world is supposed to pretend this isn't happening, emperor with no clothes style, and claim that Putin and Russia needs to be stopped from an evil expansionist agenda. As Putin fights isis, which is who we should be fighting, you people instead want to overthrow governments.

And now that your preferred candidates all want to line up with Obama and Hillary Clinton in taking a hard stand against Putin, you claim that it's Trump who wants to line himself up with Obama and Hillary Clinton.

You've gone soft in the head. You're derangement isn't working out too well in helping you form logical arguments.

Trump ties made in China.

Trumps wall is being paid for by the US taxpayer.

Trump allows Muslim immigration.

Trump wants to default on US debt.

Trump supports Obamacares individual mandate.

These are the policy choices you support.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Clinton tried to kiss up to Putin. How did that turn out? Bush tried to kiss up to Putin. How did that turn out? Obama tried to kiss up to Putin. How did that turn out? Trump and his pompom boys are kissing up to Putin, I guess some people are slow learners.

I don't know what alternative universe this all happened in, but it wasn't this one. After the breakup of the Soviet Union, our warmonger caucus immediately started the insane idea of expanding NATO up to Russia's new doorstep. We should have been taking steps to wind NATO down, since there was no longer any justification for it, but a lot of military, political and government elites lived a very cushy existence off NATO and there were about as likely to consider doing away with it as teacher's unions are to embrace charter schools.

I get it that a lot of people in eastern Europe, ie former Soviet states, despise the Russians and want payback for decades of oppression, but arming them with a NATO obligation to go to war with Russia on their behalf is not in our interests.

Obama meddled in Russian elections, tried to delegitimize Putin, staged a coup in Ukraine, imposed crippling sanctions on Russia, accused Putin of war crimes in Syria, etc etc. That is kissing up?

I just fail to see how Putin threatens our vital interests or why the relations between Russia and neighboring countries are our business. Or why Russia assisting its longtime ally Syria against an uprising driven by islamist crazies is a bad thing.

 

[wildchild]

I don't know what alternative universe this all happened in, but it wasn't this one. After the breakup of the Soviet Union, our warmonger caucus immediately started the insane idea of expanding NATO up to Russia's new doorstep. We should have been taking steps to wind NATO down, since there was no longer any justification for it, but a lot of military, political and government elites lived a very cushy existence off NATO and there were about as likely to consider doing away with it as teacher's unions are to embrace charter schools.

I get it that a lot of people in eastern Europe, ie former Soviet states, despise the Russians and want payback for decades of oppression, but arming them with a NATO obligation to go to war with Russia on their behalf is not in our interests.

Obama meddled in Russian elections, tried to delegitimize Putin, staged a coup in Ukraine, imposed crippling sanctions on Russia, accused Putin of war crimes in Syria, etc etc. That is kissing up?

I just fail to see how Putin threatens our vital interests or why the relations between Russia and neighboring countries are our business. Or why Russia assisting its longtime ally Syria against an uprising driven by islamist crazies is a bad thing.

Yes, NATO is good thing. Hate to tell you pal. Look at results of the last 70 years.

Second, yes they did kiss up to Putin. Wasn't Obama the one who said "Tell Vlad that after my election I will be in a better postion to perform fellatio on him." All you Trump pompom boys were pissed off by that.

Your response sounds like Obama's response in the 2012 debate.

Second, who is calling for war or anything else. Passing sanctions for Russia's aggressive acts is indeed warranted.

Whats this big fear of Russia anyway? Whats the reluctance to criticize Putin?

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Whats this big fear of Russia anyway? Whats the reluctance to criticize Putin?

Your side is the one who sees him as so threatening. We don't see him doing anything that threatens any of our legitimate interests, yet people like McCain are spoiling for a war.

Having good relations with Russia is very much in our interests. It may not be in the interests of the defense industry or the crowd that thinks it's the American taxpayers' obligation to pay for Europe's defense.

Anyway, let's have this debate and see which side voters come down on.

 

[wildchild]

Your side is the one who sees him as so threatening. We don't see him doing anything that threatens any of our legitimate interests, yet people like McCain are spoiling for a war.

Having good relations with Russia is very much in our interests. It may not be in the interests of the defense industry or the crowd that thinks it's the American taxpayers' obligation to pay for Europe's defense.

Anyway, let's have this debate and see which side voters come down on.

I don't see him as threatening. I see him as an asshole. This Russian military is a total joke.

I see him as a thug and an asshole where you see him as a great leader.

The fact you think it is cool that Russia harbored Snowden is bush league, pal.

 

[achilles28]

What the fuck is all this globalist crap you bring up? Right we need some asshole calling us telling us when and were to do business.

How did the isolationism of the 20s and 30s turn out?

Clinton tried to kiss up to Putin. How did that turn out? Bush tried to kiss up to Putin. How did that turn out? Obama tried to kiss up to Putin. How did that turn out? Trump and his pompom boys are kissing up to Putin, I guess some people are slow learners.

You folks have really painted yourselves into a corner, haven't you?

Who are the globalists ? Is that a joke ?

Again, trump campaigned on ending globalism, globalization and ferreting out the globalist traitors who accepted bribes for shitty trade deals that fuck Americans. That's what trump campaigned on. And that's what we're going to get.

Putin? Russia's economy is slightly larger then Canada's. They are extremely poor. All they have is a shitload of nukes and land.

China is about 5 times the size of Russia and their military reflects it.

 

[gwb-trading]

Who are the globalists ? Is that a joke ?

Again, trump campaigned on ending globalism, globalization and ferreting out the globalist traitors who accepted bribes for shitty trade deals that fuck Americans. That's what trump campaigned on. And that's what we're going to get.

Putin? Russia's economy is slightly larger then Canada's. They are extremely poor. All they have is a shitload of nukes and land.

China is about 5 times the size of Russia and their military reflects it.

This interview given to British and German journalists by Trump is eye-opening in his anti-globalist views and his policies towards Europe.

Donald Trump says Merkel made 'catastrophic mistake' on migrants
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38632485

"He told the Times and Bild his priority was to create fairer trade deals for the US and have strong borders.

He said the US had to address its trade deficit with the rest of the world, particularly with China.

The emphasis for his administration should be smart trade, rather than free trade, he said."


(more at above url)

 

[wildchild]

Who are the globalists ? Is that a joke ?

Again, trump campaigned on ending globalism, globalization and ferreting out the globalist traitors who accepted bribes for shitty trade deals that fuck Americans. That's what trump campaigned on. And that's what we're going to get.

Putin? Russia's economy is slightly larger then Canada's. They are extremely poor. All they have is a shitload of nukes and land.

China is about 5 times the size of Russia and their military reflects it.

Was Trump a globalist who had ties made in China? Is Trump the globalist who owns hotels in multiple foreign countries? When Trump was making any of these decisions that would cost Americans jobs, did he ever receive a phone call from the President making threats against him?

So far Trump promised a wall paid for by Mexico. That was a lie.

Trump promised a muslim ban. That was a lie.

Trump promised to lock Hillary up. That was a lie.

Second, who accepted bribes for shitty trade deals. I suppose you have a lot well documented cases of people taking money. Love to see your evidence.

 

[wildchild]

This interview given to British and German journalists by Trump is eye-opening in his anti-globalist views and his policies towards Europe.

Donald Trump says Merkel made 'catastrophic mistake' on migrants
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38632485

"He told the Times and Bild his priority was to create fairer trade deals for the US and have strong borders.

He said the US had to address its trade deficit with the rest of the world, particularly with China.

The emphasis for his administration should be smart trade, rather than free trade, he said."


(more at above url)

Yeah Merkel made a huge mistake. I made posts about this as it was happening. None of the Trump pompom boys were on top of it. They seem to be behind the curve.