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lose 40% of my saving, and I am out
- Thread starter liulala
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Quote from Mecro:
Besides the fact that you are way off base,
VOTE OBAMA HE WILL SAVE US!
Actually, YOU are way off base.
There never were laws that would prevent lenders from making bad loans. Nothing was deregulated by the Bush Administration in that regard. Lenders did their best to not make bad loans.
Then the Clinton Administration rewrote the CRA to REQUIRE loans be made to low credit quality borrowers. And engaged FNMA and FRE to buy these loans.
In early 1993 President Bill Clinton ordered new regulations for the CRA which would increase access to mortgage credit for inner city and distressed rural communities. The new rules went into effect on January 31, 1995 and featured: requiring strictly numerical assessments to get a satisfactory CRA rating; using federal home-loan data broken down by neighborhood, income group, and race; encouraging community groups to complain when banks were not loaning enough to specified neighborhood, income group, and race; allowing community groups that marketed loans to targeted groups to collect a fee from the banks.
The CRA was public policy that DROVE the market. To cast a blind eye that obvious econic fact and simply blame "the profit motive" is ludicrous.
Granted, no one intened to lose money, but, to lay blame on capitalism when the real source of the problem was government in the first place indicates to me a fundamental lack of economic understanding.
German, I think you know I do quite well.
Quote from GermanTrader:
I laugh at your idealism. I didn't vote for Bush but both parties are responsible. Get off your politics long enough to create a system that profits in this price action. Otherwise, turn off the media and move it to the politics forum. DAMN some people are naive.
Agree, this doesn't fall just on Bush's shoulders. It started well before his administration. Alright, off my political soapbox I go. Back to trading!
Quote from forrestang:
PFT, not to make this a political discussion, but this was a seed that was sewn 30 years ago. Further planted and fed deeper into the 'soil' about 10 years ago.
Many, including those in the media have simplified it so the masses can accept it....simply saying this is something that occurred recently.
Just wait till Naitonal Healthcare gets here, the bubble isn't going to bust immediately, it will take decades.
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I agree with you though, this crisis WAS manufactured by the government.
Quote from nyxtrader:
Actually, YOU are way off base.
There never were laws that would prevent lenders from making bad loans. Nothing was deregulated by the Bush Administration in that regard. Lenders did their best to not make bad loans.
Then the Clinton Administration rewrote the CRA to REQUIRE loans be made to low credit quality borrowers. And engaged FNMA and FRE to buy these loans.
In early 1993 President Bill Clinton ordered new regulations for the CRA which would increase access to mortgage credit for inner city and distressed rural communities. The new rules went into effect on January 31, 1995 and featured: requiring strictly numerical assessments to get a satisfactory CRA rating; using federal home-loan data broken down by neighborhood, income group, and race; encouraging community groups to complain when banks were not loaning enough to specified neighborhood, income group, and race; allowing community groups that marketed loans to targeted groups to collect a fee from the banks.
The CRA was public policy that DROVE the market. To cast a blind eye that obvious econic fact and simply blame "the profit motive" is ludicrous.
Granted, no one intened to lose money, but, to lay blame on capitalism when the real source of the problem was government in the first place indicates to me a fundamental lack of economic understanding.
If 1995 started this, how come it only blow up after the internet bubble right now?
CRA encourage loan offered to low income people but not fake/liar loans. Also, it doesn't encourage fireman flipper who can hold 1 mil+ properties.
In addition to that, when did the leverage ratio got raised to 40:1?
How come CDS can be exempted from being regulated as an insurance policy?
If the 1995 CRA is SOOOO bad, how come Bush didn't stop it for the WHOLE 6 years when he has both house and senate?
I am not saying this is all Bush fault, but it is only "Kettle calling the pot black" if anyone trying to blame this on Clinton.
Quote from liulala:
my 23 years saving lose 40% in such a short time, i am out now.
byebye wallstreet, never trust a dime with this animal
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I'm almost certain that you can't read or interpret charts Liulala, markets move up & down, not just up towards the heavens, never to return to earth. The market has been visibly moving down steadily since 2008, how has that been hard to understand? A few years ago when the tech bubble burst, a professor of mine was complaining that the money earmarked for his daughter's education was nearly depleted, if he only knew what I knew back then he would've known that there was different options or alternatives to just holding, wishing & praying for the best.
The investing public can also profit from bear markets, but very often it's frowned upon. And please don't use that excuse like so many: "now you tell me after the fact", no the problem is incompetence. Lesson learned I suppose.
my 23 years saving lose 40% in such a short time, i am out now.
byebye wallstreet, never trust a dime with this animal
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I'm almost certain that you can't read or interpret charts Liulala, markets move up & down, not just up towards the heavens, never to return to earth. The market has been visibly moving down steadily since 2008, how has that been hard to understand? A few years ago when the tech bubble burst, a professor of mine was complaining that the money earmarked for his daughter's education was nearly depleted, if he only knew what I knew back then he would've known that there was different options or alternatives to just holding, wishing & praying for the best.
The investing public can also profit from bear markets, but very often it's frowned upon. And please don't use that excuse like so many: "now you tell me after the fact", no the problem is incompetence. Lesson learned I suppose.