Looks like Victor Niederhoffer blew up again

[Ash1972]

Just to clarify: "helmholtz" is the new handle for marketsurfer, correct?

 

[Peternam]

Furthermore, VN has posted a far superior track record over DECADES. How naive are you guys to think that real professional investors would keep investing with VN if this wasn't the case?

Really, give us the track record of your boy....including blow-ups

 

[Peternam]

Just to clarify: "helmholtz" is the new handle for marketsurfer, correct?

YUP

 

[billyjoerob]

is there any evidence VN blew up? I don't see any.

 

[StarDust9182]

The guy is a total amateur.

He even said that trend following techniques - and technical analysis in general - are for losers.

LOL- shouldn't this be "are for loosers"?

 

[StarDust9182]

What fund is this? Where is it tracked. Who is this person?

Furthermore, VN has posted a far superior track record over DECADES. How naive are you guys to think that real professional investors would keep investing with VN if this wasn't the case?

Its the "tasty trade" fund. Perhaps VN would be best advised to let a professional handle his money? http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?t=282097

Seriously though, it is the nature of trading and the nature of human response to indeterminate systems that causes urban legends to pop up all the time. The "loosers" need some kind of belief to guide them in the face of their own real evidence. This is also known as superstition (and for some people, religion). Some people have a need to believe in powerful forces on their side.

 

[zdreg]

You are suggesting that firms like the one you mention don't do DD or are well aware of the risks of their chosen managers ? Clearly VN passed the test by folks who allocate much more than both of us have. Therefore, I think the guy deserves respect rather than diversion.

diversion or disparagement, market surfer?
this thread contains/ missing the same as timothy sykes' thread. where is the track record of niederhoffer? mr. helmholtz/marketsurfer, please provide.

lots of luck. we are likely to receive the same obfuscation on this thread as was posted to the timothy sykes' thread.

 

[zdreg]

of course this thread was obviously created by someone who holds a grudge against VN. surprisingly nobody has called out the OP on it inc. the resident guru/hero worshiper, helmholtz/market surfer. even helm... fell for the bait.

 

[zdreg]

of course this thread was obviously created by someone who holds a grudge against VN. surprisingly nobody has called out the OP on it inc. the resident guru/hero worshiper, helmholtz/market surfer. even helm... fell for the bait.

reread the original post very carefully, sherlocks.

 

[drownpruf]

You are suggesting that firms like the one you mention don't do DD or are well aware of the risks of their chosen managers ? Clearly VN passed the test by folks who allocate much more than both of us have. Therefore, I think the guy deserves respect rather than diversion.

I implied nothing of the sort. Yeah, it was moronic to invest in Matador, but little was made of his short vol program. He was "always in" with the short puts. He always rolled into a new series. This was not mentioned in the DD.

AUM would've been much, much less had it been made clear that the risk was in short g/v.