1. The golden rule doesn't support rape, period...of a 10 year old child, 9, 11, or a man or a woman or a spouse...
That is why I don't support rape, period (except under the most unusual circumstances).
2. I don't want a grown man, or a young man, or a grown woman, or a young woman, or a male or female child forcing me to do anything, especially when there is physical violence in play.
So I am not advocating rape under anything but an extremely rare situation.
(If you need to know what that rare situation might be, then just ask)
You are stuck in a classic fallacy of mind, a false dilemma. If I don't support you and your mob, that means I have to support them to which you are mobbing against?
That is just plain fallacious, just plain foolish.
I don't support the Muslim haters, and I don't support Muslims that practice hate, as I don't support hate. I also don't support wasting time focusing on the problems of others I cannot solve, when we as a country cannot even solve our own problems.
When Gregg started his post on Muslim humping, the point that I was making is that we have no right or business to be judging other cultures by our laws.
If it is a good thing on principle for one country to be judging another culture on the basis of their laws, then it must be good for the radical Muslim fundamentalists to judge Americans by their own laws and standards.
The ET right wingers and Americans in general certainly don't like it when someone from another culture judges their behavior as evil, unlawful, or unGodly...
If it is good for Ann Coulter on principle to say that Americans should invade Muslim countries and either convert them to Christianity or kill them...then on principle it also must be good for Muslims to invade America and convert Americans to Islam or kill them.
My overall point was, and continues to be that the Muslim haters, or socialist haters, or haters of anything that is different than our laws provide for is a useless and meaningless exercise in judgement where judgement is useless.
I don't know how to say this kindly at all, but you and others acted like complete idiots when I suggested that America solve America's problems before we go on another crusade based on our self righteousness.
However I was never defending the Muslims and their practices, I was attacking the Americans who ignore the problems of their own country and focus on the problems of another country...something that they can't do anything about...apart from invading them and converting them or killing them.
See, in a Golden Rule philosophy, you don't attack other countries for their laws and morality, unless you think it is good for other countries to attack you for your laws and your morality...and then it eventually becomes a case of might makes right, or "My God is better than your God" and the "might makes right rule" is the antithesis of the Golden Rule.
The might make right folks are the ones to cry foul the most when the tables are turned and a greater might than their own forces foreign concepts of what is right down their throats.
Might doesn't make right, it might merely forces another human being to bend to the will of another (which if you think is right, the when it happens to you, you should be pleased at being forced to bend to the will of another).
Not a single one of the ET idiots would say that a more powerful country, say a Muslim country has the right to invade America and force Americans to abide by their laws simply because they had the might to do so.
If Iraq as a democracy (LOL!) were to now pass laws that ran counter to our concept of law in America, are they entitled to do so under their own constitution?
Would we stand back like proud parents and say, they have done it, they have grown up and become whatever they wanted to be as a free nation...or would the right wing fundamentalists in America go apeshit as usual and say we have to now re-invade Iraq and remove their government so that we can re-establish American democracy?
It is an act of hubris to waste time judging other countries when our own country right now is so filled with problems that are being ignored.
Fix America first. Take that attitude, and there will be no time at all to even think what is going on in some time zone on the other side of the globe.
Fix our faults first, then there might be a moral ground to focus on the faults of others.
If we fix America first, then we can truly lead by example and inspire other countries to follow suit...
Quote from NeoRio1:
1. Since you believe in the golden rule as the closest thing to a moral absolute, in what universe would following the golden rule support the rape of 10 year old children?
2. If you were a 10 year old child would you want a grown man forcing you down on the ground and raping you? Answer with a YES or NO.
By the way if you would not want to be raped by a grown man as a 10 year old than you cannot advocate the rape of a 10 year old unless of course you are breaking the golden rule (holy shit surprise).
