Looks like Joe the Pumber was the game changer

Quote from stock_trad3r:

Give it a few more days to build steam.

Obama had no good retort if you watched the debate, but to fall back on his '95% of Americans will get tax cuts' talking point.
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A good example of how neo-conservatives are beyond indoctrination, well deeper than any brainwashing...
It is like they have been created - come from some non-intelligent design. They are incapable of relating to reality.
:D

To bad they don't understand that their stance will ultimately be their demise - when they hit rock-bottom, blow up their accounts - blow their wad and run off their mouths. That is when it will finally hit them - but still they will lurk in the shadows of society, waiting to strike out and rise again.
 
Quote from stock_trad3r:

Give it a few more days to build steam.

Obama had no good retort if you watched the debate, but to fall back on his '95% of Americans will get tax cuts' talking point.
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Stocky you should watch this video, it's funny as hell from Howard Stern's Radio show. They interview a bunch of Obama supports and attribute John McCain's policies to Obama. These people are thrilled that Obama has ELECTED Sarah Palin to be his VP. Now, watch the video and realize two things. First, the typical Obama supporter does not give a shit about this stuff. America wants socialism, regardless of what you and I want, and Socialism we will all get. Second, realize your simply the McCain version of these Obama people. America is in a lot of trouble because people are fucking stupid.

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Your smug bullshit gets old. Stick to new age academic crap like systems and trust.

It's those who vote for DEMOCRATS who're the simpletons thinking they're opposing neo-con philosophies. Please show me ONE example of Obama's "war" policy being more dovish than McCain. I don't even know which would have fewer troops in Iraq by 2011. The MSM is generally managed by Jewish-Americans. They've historically been TREMENDOUSLY pro-Israel in reporting. Do you think they'd promote Barrack Obama if he hadn't been appropriately vetted on his slavish support of Israeli defense? Get a friggin' clue. You're like the dopes who think Lieberman is a "turncoat". Clinton/Gore/Lieberman/Kerry/Biden are ALL ABOUT Israel.

Except for Bush, Republican Presidents have been ambivalent on Israel. I don't think McCain is much more bullish Israel than Reagan was which is to say not much at all. The Jew MONEY goes to the Dem's, the Jew MEDIA goes to the Dem's and the Jew VOTES go the Dem's. If you can't figure out which party has a more DEVOUT stance towards Israeli interests then your either partisan or blind. Bush is not typical of Republicans on Mideast policy. Truthfully he's the oxy-moron....


Quote from Gringinho:

A good example of how neo-conservatives are beyond indoctrination, well deeper than any brainwashing...
It is like they have been created - come from some non-intelligent design. They are incapable of relating to reality.
:D

To bad they don't understand that their stance will ultimately be their demise - when they hit rock-bottom, blow up their accounts - blow their wad and run off their mouths. That is when it will finally hit them - but still they will lurk in the shadows of society, waiting to strike out and rise again.
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Quote from seneca_roman:

Apparently, Joe the Plumber is not registered to vote nor is he a licensed plumber in Ohio.

And, McNuts put a big part of his debate effort to convince voters to vote for him on a guy who apparently not voting nor is a plumber. Wow, no wonder he picked Palin as VP and she is now being called a "national disgrace" by conservatives.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081016/NEWS09/810160418/-1/NEWS

Seneca
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Your point is stupid at best. It makes no difference if Joe the plumber is real or not. The issue is what's going to happen to people like him under Obama.

The Dems are all about keeping the American people middle class. God forbid you actually achieve the American dream. And if you do, the dems will be right there to punish you for it and force you to give your money to all the deadbeats who'd rather point their finger and blame everyone else for their lack of success.
 
Quote from seneca_roman:

Apparently, Joe the Plumber is not registered to vote nor is he a licensed plumber in Ohio.

And, McNuts put a big part of his debate effort to convince voters to vote for him on a guy who apparently not voting nor is a plumber. Wow, no wonder he picked Palin as VP and she is now being called a "national disgrace" by conservatives.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081016/NEWS09/810160418/-1/NEWS

Seneca
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OK, so he doesn't have a plumber's license and isn't voting.

Does he work? Pay taxes?

No doubt our esteemed ET liberals will all to happy to quickly point out what I seem to be missing. But how does him not having a license or voter registration card change the substance of his question to Obama. And more importantly, Obama's "redistribute the wealth" response?
 
Quote from bugscoe:

Your point is stupid at best. It makes no difference if Joe the plumber is real or not. The issue is what's going to happen to people like him under Obama.
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Uhm...if he is not real, then how can we have people like him?
 
Quote from bugscoe:

Your point is stupid at best. It makes no difference if Joe the plumber is real or not. The issue is what's going to happen to people like him under Obama.

The Dems are all about keeping the American people middle class. God forbid you actually achieve the American dream. And if you do, the dems will be right there to punish you for it and force you to give your money to all the deadbeats who'd rather point their finger and blame everyone else for their lack of success.
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The point actually is that McCain has bad judgment by using Joe as an example, surely he could have found someone better to make his point that there are small businessman who make over 250K that would get hurt by haveing to pay a 39% marginal rate that Obama favors vs. a 36% rate that
he favors.

In addition by picking what is more and more looking like a guy who is a fraud (not a plumber, not a voter, and a tax cheat), the debate shifts from the point McCain was trying to make to the bad judgment of his picking famous Joe, not a plumber.

This continues to demonstrate his bad judgment as the Palin selection vividly exemplifies. Palin the national disgrace and as K. Parker of the National Review put it, "If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself"

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZiMDhjYTU1NmI5Y2MwZjg2MWNiMWMyYTUxZDkwNTE=

So, call it what you want, the voters will decide, but to me, McCain looks out of sorts, confused, and grasping for ideas and in doing so, shows us the bad judgement we should expect if he were elected.

Why pick what amounted to a fraud as the keystone in your attempt to win a debate? If you think Joe, not a plumber, was a good choice, then pull the lever under McCains name. I won't be doing that.

Seneca
 
Just a note to address the numbers after the debate, from Intrade of course.


Obama Up 5 points to 86.

McCain down 3.3 points to 14.3

Which, in all fairness is a long way from exit poll reality, just a curious result.



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