Looking for mentor

Quote from SunTree:

I'll start off.

1. One of the factors of developing a trading model is to extract a certain tendency of the market. Simply/Obvious, right? Trying to find a "System of Everything" will not work. Look at Opening Range Breakout, there is a definite fundamental reasoning for it. The Equities market has a set time it opens and closes, and there a tendency in the market which market volume is high during these times. You extract this tendency and apply it using ORB as a way to be profitable.

Markets change but there are specific conditions that occur all the time (like I mentioned Open/Closing Bell) and you identify, extract, apply and etc. to develop a trading system.

(This is just one approach, not all systems are like this)

I see what you are saying. Good knowledge of market structure is needed

2. My assumption tells me that you are compromising your lack of system development skills by going into discretionary trading.

Yes, system development did not produce good results, and the reasons for it are lack of skills/experience/luck(?). I had to explore (semi) discretionary trading as well and not be ignorant of it.

3. There is no easy way of making money. If it's better to be in front of the computer all day, you should be doing it. I have a bunch of Automated Systems but I do more work than a discretionary trader (+8 hours work).


4. You trade the market. The market doesn't care who you are. So my suggestion is to stop thinking, "I want to trade this way"... You trade and make money from what the market gives you.
Good points.
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Interesting replies...

Honestly, I was suspecting that you were one of those "heard it all" but "not done at all" type in ET. Of course, you're not competent but I can see you've done some ground work.

I replied because of all the BS. replies you got. (Everyone starts as newb. but some don't get it... *sad*)

Anyways, I think you have the "basic" background and skills to apply for what you desire. I wouldn't limit myself to trade automation because a lot of discretionary traders aren't so logical. They use the conditional "feel" to describe their trading. (most will hate the control structure of if-then / for... discretionary trading is very very very very very very illogical... or should I say "rational" with their decision processing)

You can be doing (offering) 2 things at first. The testing capability of their verbal ideas (try confirming your ideas... they won't get it even if you use UML or diagrams) and developing "tools" to simplify their trading. (When they see your detailed test results, they will complain... and be in denial... I can't and don't duplicate my own discretion even if I can program... it's just different)

Finally...

I wouldn't find a mentor in ET, as-is. Try searching or start up a thread for a ET meeting. Even if they're not your mentor, meeting a trader in person and asking questions are a lot more significant than all the posts in a BB. ET should be an opportunity, not a definition.

In person, people are a lot more "normal" than what they post. Don't offer any $$$ or cash-back stuff. If they ask, be warned, they are under-capitalized. You have the skills (and the time), that's what you offer.

(I'm a lot more pleasant in person... Chicagoans... back me up... :p )

Good luck. Everyone goes through tough times.
 
slightly Off Topic.


TSGannGalt good stuff. Can you provide any clues for research on Forex floor value? I googled it, your post was the top and most relevant link :)


Interesting thread. Thanks SunTree.
 
1) System development and selecting the results.

"The "top of the hill" should be broad - this tells you that you are not picking just one lucky combo of stop/target or other parameters you are testing for."

How often do you update the analysis?
How are you choosing your path?
Are you 100% convinced?

"Picked few systems. The combined portfolio curve was excellent.... Started to watch in real time - the whole portfolio (!) flatlined."

Flatlining is sometimes equal to keeping too many past data.

Do you de-memorize data/systems?


2) Personal growth

You need personal confidence and experience in other (new)fields. And you need to work smart and networked.

What are you passionate about outside the trading arena?
What is your vision?


3) Start from zero

Only deposit what you need to trade 1 contract.

What do you think about geometric growth?
Do you need to have money to get rid of other things (invoices, job, dependencies)?


4) Make it important - but not too urgent.

You need to be attracting value and respecting the major resource 'time' for sustaining success. Time is a resource like space, knowledge and energy.

What can you do to come to a balanced personal growth portfolio and effectively and efficiently using all personal available resources?


5) Help others and focus toward your goal.

Helping others gets you focussed -> plus mirrors into helping yourself.

I have no question on topic 5) for you.
 
Quote from gg12:

1) System development and selecting the results.

"The "top of the hill" should be broad - this tells you that you are not picking just one lucky combo of stop/target or other parameters you are testing for."

How often do you update the analysis?
How are you choosing your path?
Are you 100% convinced?

"Picked few systems. The combined portfolio curve was excellent.... Started to watch in real time - the whole portfolio (!) flatlined."

Flatlining is sometimes equal to keeping too many past data.

Do you de-memorize data/systems?


2) Personal growth

You need personal confidence and experience in other (new)fields. And you need to work smart and networked.

What are you passionate about outside the trading arena?
What is your vision?


3) Start from zero

Only deposit what you need to trade 1 contract.

What do you think about geometric growth?
Do you need to have money to get rid of other things (invoices, job, dependencies)?


4) Make it important - but not too urgent.

You need to be attracting value and respecting the major resource 'time' for sustaining success. Time is a resource like space, knowledge and energy.

What can you do to come to a balanced personal growth portfolio and effectively and efficiently using all personal available resources?


5) Help others and focus toward your goal.

Helping others gets you focussed -> plus mirrors into helping yourself.

I have no question on topic 5) for you.
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:confused: :confused: :confused:

I'm guessing you're talking about systematic trading... :)

1. Is your forward-optimization ("analysis") based on time? What do you mean by path?

2. My passion out of trading is sex. Is that wrong?

3. How is he supposed to diversify?

4. He mentioned he's got plenty of cash from his SE job.

5. It's a business. I'm just bored... :p

:confused: :confused: :confused:

I'll be honest. It's a bit sketchy when someone in ET offers someone to become a mentor. (PM me... stuff... sorry if I'm wrong)
 
Quote from TSGannGalt:

I'll be honest. It's a bit sketchy when someone in ET offers someone to become a mentor. (PM me... stuff... sorry if I'm wrong)
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Right, You are right

The mentors are gurus.
And the gurus remain tranquiles.
They wait until they are contacted.

signé Artes : http://www.linkcity.be/fr/nasdaq (Solar)
 
Quote from TSGannGalt:

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Anyways, I think you have the "basic" background and skills to apply for what you desire. I wouldn't limit myself to trade automation because a lot of discretionary traders aren't so logical. They use the conditional "feel" to describe their trading. (most will hate the control structure of if-then / for... discretionary trading is very very very very very very illogical... or should I say "rational" with their decision processing)

Interesting point regarding discretionary decision making. (So, market is moved by brains of rational and irrational traders. When market appears irrational, it really is irrational?)

You can be doing (offering) 2 things at first. The testing capability of their verbal ideas (try confirming your ideas... they won't get it even if you use UML or diagrams) and developing "tools" to simplify their trading. (When they see your detailed test results, they will complain... and be in denial... I can't and don't duplicate my own discretion even if I can program... it's just different)

Good points.

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I wouldn't find a mentor in ET, as-is. Try searching or start up a thread for a ET meeting. Even if they're not your mentor, meeting a trader in person and asking questions are a lot more significant than all the posts in a BB. ET should be an opportunity, not a definition.
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Good luck. Everyone goes through tough times.

Thank you.
 
Quote from TSGannGalt:

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I'll be honest. It's a bit sketchy when someone in ET offers someone to become a mentor. (PM me... stuff... sorry if I'm wrong)
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100%.

gg12, artes,

I understand that this is free BB. I do not own this thread, so anyone can post their opinion. My opinion is that you distract this thread and your level of expertise and integrity is nowhere near the level of a senior profitable trader. This is very transparent.
 
Quote from SunTree:

Quote from TSGannGalt:

Interesting point regarding discretionary decision making. (So, market is moved by brains of rational and irrational traders. When market appears irrational, it really is irrational?)
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You're a SE, you should know the difference between a rational process and a logical process.
 
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