Looking for assistance in going to the next level, for mutual benefit

[Laissez Faire]

You remind me of someone who used to post here.

Currently I am trading with APEX have funded accounts and have performed well enough for them to give me an actual live funded account (with a little bit more drawdown and few different rules than the standard Performance Accounts).

Interesting. Why would they do this and specifically what are the differences from the 'standard performance accounts'?

Yes, I do stand by the things I listed as being a hinderance for a business:
* There's a hard lock time limit on how much funds you can withdrawal.
* Even during and after that lock out time, there's still additional rules and guideless.
*They reserve the right to deny a pay out at their discretion.
*Commissions are eating up an additional 1-2 ticks of profit per trade(depending on plan)
*Data instability causes delayed entry and exit sometimes and it rarely ends up in my favor

Exactly.

I don't see Apex as anything other than a modern bucket shop and would hesitate to call it a funded account as there is zero funding and you're still trading in the simulator. Now, even if you pass the qualification there are rules to prevent you from withdrawing for obvious reasons (one being that it increases the chance of a rule break or blow-up before you can withdraw the entire account).

It should be clear as day that this and similar firms have zero intentions of letting anyone extract any money from the firm, so why waste your time here? At least some of the other firms puts you on an actual live account with no particular rules or limits on withdrawing money.

Anyway, I hope someone can give you some better advice on the next step.

Unless you're seeking a professional job or want to somehow gain access to more capital (difficult without a track record I would guess?), I suppose the harsh truth is that anyone who have an edge in the markets can exploit that and build a smaller account into a larger one by compounding. And after it's a larger one it can be built into a much larger one.

Best of luck.

 

[rb7]

Goal and point of this post:

To find someone willing to give advice, direction or assist me in going to the next level for mutual benefit.


I've seen very few people if any that can actually trade live in front of people and call what they are looking for in advance on a trade. This includes people selling indicators, services, as well as other traders who a lot of people say are good.

Currently I am trading with APEX have funded accounts and have performed well enough for them to give me an actual live funded account (with a little bit more drawdown and few different rules than the standard Performance Accounts).

However, even with that LIVESIM and LIVE account the drawdown, rules, withdrawal and etc make it difficult to produce the income I need to fully leave my job. My job is pretty flexible, but I'd rather focus full time on trading and grow trading as a business. As with anything if you're able to scale up faster and be more efficient, that is generally the ultimate goal and makes no sense not to.

Already have infrastructure in place including someone who is not only willing and has assisted me in trading, but also willing to handle other duties so I can focus more on the trading. In addition while they are not quite on my level of execution and understanding, they are still strong technically and able to provide me with timely information that allows me to have a greater focus on execution.

I am willing and wanting to trade live on screen share as well as voice, to further prove what I am saying. Not against meeting in person either if that becomes necessary. Which is how it should be with anyone that takes trading seriously, as I do.

Thanks for reading and appreciate if anyone can point me in the right direction or has any advice for me.

You are stating that you are already profitable.
You are stating that you have already someone to help you.
Not sure what you are looking for and why.
And more important, not sure what benefits would be for a person that would be willing to help/assist you.

I'm not responding because I would be willing to help you (I'm a fully automated trader), just for curiosity.

 

[SunTrader]

Agree with above. A lot is unclear.

Make 80k/year. Have someone else to support. But wanting to trade instead?

 

[murray t turtle]

Goal and point of this post:

To find someone willing to give advice, direction or assist me in going to the next level for mutual benefit.


I've seen very few people if any that can actually trade live in front of people and call what they are looking for in advance on a trade. This includes people selling indicators, services, as well as other traders who a lot of people say are good.

Currently I am trading with APEX have funded accounts and have performed well enough for them to give me an actual live funded account (with a little bit more drawdown and few different rules than the standard Performance Accounts).

However, even with that LIVESIM and LIVE account the drawdown, rules, withdrawal and etc make it difficult to produce the income I need to fully leave my job. My job is pretty flexible, but I'd rather focus full time on trading and grow trading as a business. As with anything if you're able to scale up faster and be more efficient, that is generally the ultimate goal and makes no sense not to.

Already have infrastructure in place including someone who is not only willing and has assisted me in trading, but also willing to handle other duties so I can focus more on the trading. In addition while they are not quite on my level of execution and understanding, they are still strong technically and able to provide me with timely information that allows me to have a greater focus on execution.

I am willing and wanting to trade live on screen share as well as voice, to further prove what I am saying. Not against meeting in person either if that becomes necessary. Which is how it should be with anyone that takes trading seriously, as I do.

Thanks for reading and appreciate if anyone can point me in the right direction or has any advice for me.

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ONE thing is crystal clear form your post;
''difficult to produce income I need to leave my job'' THEN dont
I've ran over 5 businesses, in my life;
+ trading -investing can be enjoyable, but difficult . But look @ benchmark like SPY which most experienced managers can't beat long term.
I like doing my metals business also + I can trade-invest any time I want.
Tough business ;
IBD- FFTY has mostly not beaten SPY benchmark.
But IBD sold its helpful newspaper/data co to WSJ parent fro $275 million. Amen.
Hope this helps/ it helps me

 

[Astnfd]

Personally I don't find my post that unclear, particularly after answering some questions. If I read this post from the other side feel like it would be clear. Just my opinion though and obviously everyone else disagrees, so on a balance of probability we can say I am not being clear.

I do agree with what was directly said regarding not being interested, as well as indirectly it seems like no one at least on this thread is either interested or understands my post at the deepest level(regardless of the reasoning).

Appreciate everyone's time. Do not spend a lot of time on message forums. If anyone can point me to someone who is willing to communicate and trade live (no delay, no hindsight) I am genuinely interested to see them and check them out. So would appreciate that.

Thanks guys.

 

[murray t turtle]

Personally I don't find my post that unclear, particularly after answering some questions. If I read this post from the other side feel like it would be clear. Just my opinion though and obviously everyone else disagrees, so on a balance of probability we can say I am not being clear.

I do agree with what was directly said regarding not being interested, as well as indirectly it seems like no one at least on this thread is either interested or understands my post at the deepest level(regardless of the reasoning).

Appreciate everyone's time. Do not spend a lot of time on message forums. If anyone can point me to someone who is willing to communicate and trade live (no delay, no hindsight) I am genuinely interested to see them and check them out. So would appreciate that.

Thanks guys.

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SOME did understand;
but frankly people really understand what they want to.
I mentioned a real helpful co in my post [IBD books , newspaper]+ also noted some other helpful things.
Bottom line is most any business that made it did it regardless of any hand holding.
I should have mentioned i love to read + so some learned from words + pic$, not getting hung up on [live] hand holding or lack of it.
[Obvious= ignore the sarcasm ''ready to sell courses''
Good questions, Astnfd.

 

[whygodwhy]

I took the time to write two posts to try and help you out. Are you going to respond to what I said? I get the feeling that you're not actually profitable and fishing for traders who will trade live for you so that you can become so. Everyone starts somewhere but at least have the balls to admit your position so you can move forward and have people actually help you based on your current level of trading.

 

[schizo]

Personally I don't find my post that unclear, particularly after answering some questions. If I read this post from the other side feel like it would be clear. Just my opinion though and obviously everyone else disagrees, so on a balance of probability we can say I am not being clear.

I do agree with what was directly said regarding not being interested, as well as indirectly it seems like no one at least on this thread is either interested or understands my post at the deepest level(regardless of the reasoning).

Appreciate everyone's time. Do not spend a lot of time on message forums. If anyone can point me to someone who is willing to communicate and trade live (no delay, no hindsight) I am genuinely interested to see them and check them out. So would appreciate that.

Thanks guys.

Well, why don't you explicitly state what you want from others instead of going around the circle? Is it funding? Is it training? Is it companionship (eg. face time)? It really could be interpreted as any one of those.

 

[Astnfd]

I took the time to write two posts to try and help you out. Are you going to respond to what I said? I get the feeling that you're not actually profitable and fishing for traders who will trade live for you so that you can become so. Everyone starts somewhere but at least have the balls to admit your position so you can move forward and have people actually help you based on your current level of trading.

Hey thanks for posting. First of all you're a new user and your post we're not showing up, because an admin had to approve them first and once approved they show up retrospectively. Going to assume you did not get the notifications that I did, did not see your messages were delayed or don't understand that.

Secondly your initial post had a lot of good information in it, however I question that slightly based on your second accusation about me trying to find a trader to watch. That is honestly doesn't make much sense either. If our lives depended on it we might be able to find a couple of traders on this entire form that could actually trade live in front of someone without completely falling apart. Of those probably none of them would want to do that. Was completely serious when I stated that I was genuinely interested if anyone here could point me to someone and that is true. It was more of a rhetorical question because I highly doubt anyone here can or can point me to anyone. Again if they can I'll be delighted and eat crow.

There is a substantial amount of money in the accounts and if ultimately they allow me to withdrawal it on the 4 month than you are absolutely correct, things will be taken care of on my end and I won't need anyone else. I do have concerns about receiving that money, but maybe those are unfounded. I'll also be delighted more than you know if my concerns turn out to be nothing.

Lastly it's not that I don't appreciate your time in reading my post and responding. It's more that if someone isn't understanding my post, than it's highly unlikely they are going to want to work with me anyways. I am not here begging and believe it or not I crafted the messages exactly how I wanted to for that purpose. Your last post came off as a little presumptuous from not one, but two angles. I understand why, but that is the reason for my firm response.

 

[Astnfd]

Well, why don't you explicitly state what you want from others instead of going around the circle? Is it funding? Is it training? Is it companionship (eg. face time)? It really could be interpreted as any one of those.

I believe my day trading edge is high, based on my performance mainly, but also seeing what else is out there as far as people's trading or lack there of. My interest is trading live with someone so they can come to the same conclusion and yes one way or other assist in funding.

Most people can't do that (I believe because they don't actually have an edge). I am not worried about anyone stealing my edge. While I do have some strategies that I use, there is no replacement for being able to understand the current days market dynamics and decision making. That's the real edge, which requires very attentive and a lot of screen time. People looking for an edge by just a strategy is not very likely, yet that's what a lot of people focus on and a lot of people teach. If a strategy is that clear and repeatable you could just make a bot do it and there you go, you're rich.