Long Vega and Long Theta

Quote from samer1:

The reason why I am looking for a positive vega, positive theta trade is to benefit from the increase in IV due to upcoming earnings. The objective is to construct vega positive trades that have at least theta decay as possible... The best would be to have it theta positive.


Thanks!

Regards,
Samer

You are going to take on other risks to get your position. Are those other risks going to offset the increase in implied vol?
 
Quote from samer1:

The reason why I am looking for a positive vega, positive theta trade is to benefit from the increase in IV due to upcoming earnings. The objective is to construct vega positive trades that have at least theta decay as possible... The best would be to have it theta positive.

Thanks!

Regards,
Samer

Realistically, it's going to be difficult to make money from that. Typically, before earnings or an "event" volatility tends to increase, however the price of the options will likely still decay, just slower, creating the higher vol value. If you want to buy those options and take advantage of scalping the stock with movement prior to the earning, any hedge you enter into to reduce theta, will negate that strategy. You'll have to take some risk somewhere to make money.

Where you place that risk will determine if you right.
 
Many thanks for all these replies...

The thought is just this: If there were liquid variance swaps on each stock, then a pure exposure to volatility could be established.

However, variance swaps can be perfectly replicated by option strategies... However, it is very complex and I think this is just doable for trading desks at financial institutions...
 
Quote from samer1:

The reason why I am looking for a positive vega, positive theta trade is to benefit from the increase in IV due to upcoming earnings.


Increase in IV would have to be due to an unexpected event, such as biotech company submitting a drug to the FDA. Or AAPL calling a VERY IMPORTING NEWS CONFERENCE in two weeks time, something like that would send IV through the roof. But you would have to be in the trade before these unexpected events.
 
Quote from samer1:

Many thanks for all these replies...

The thought is just this: If there were liquid variance swaps on each stock, then a pure exposure to volatility could be established.

However, variance swaps can be perfectly replicated by option strategies... However, it is very complex and I think this is just doable for trading desks at financial institutions...

And single stock variance isn't *THAT* liquid anyway.
But you would still be paying theta.
 
Quote from samer1:

variance swaps can be perfectly replicated by option strategies... However, it is very complex and I think this is just doable for trading desks at financial institutions...
Actually it isn't that complex. See the Deutsche Bank paper "DIY Variance with VIX Futures & Options."
 
Quote from Kevin Schmit:
Actually it isn't that complex. See the Deutsche Bank paper "DIY Variance with VIX Futures & Options."
Yeah, except it's (a) does not work even for SPX variance and (b) is not possible at all with single stocks.
 
Quote from newwurldmn:

I was looking for the paper. Do they recommend anything other than the strip of options where you trade an obscene number of puts?
I have not seen the paper but am sure that they suggest buying a strip of vix futures and buying some options to offset the convexity adjustment. Me think it's stupid.
 
Quote from newwurldmn:I was looking for the paper.
I'd post it but I can't find it. It came out late 2010 or early 2011.
I have emailed the author for another copy and will post it when I get it.


Quote from sle:Yeah, except it's (a) does not work even for SPX variance and (b) is not possible at all with single stocks... it's stupid.
No argument with (b). Your agument wrt (a) presumably concerns basis risk/tracking error. Yes, it is not that good a hedge and will not track all that closely, and there will be considerable structure in the residuals (bias is level-dependent, etc...), but often even an imperfect hedge beats no hedge at all.
 
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